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**drummer** · 26th April 2005, 10:40

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Not really the same subject is it. I'm not defending anything this Government has done, everyone will have their own views on that and no one will ever agree 100% with any Government (except maybe the Prime Minister). I was simply telling offering you a reason why people still support Labour over National despite all the PC Bull.

well it is related. here we have the government changing a public system... which is what selling off is. I must also say that I don't disagree with some of the sell offs... telecom for example. However I do believe that we should have tryed to keep at least half in NZ hands... same as Aussie have done.

I bel;ieve that the support is high because ultimately Klarke is a good spindoc...

**drummer** · 26th April 2005, 10:50

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I sure as hell wouldn't take pot shots at you as you were riding away!!!!

He bloody near did kill somebody and he wasn't defending himself or his family

Ok so maybe a quad bike is worth more than a life, what' the lowest value you would put on a thiefs life? How much does he need to steal before being eligable for your death penalty?

For goodness sake... read my post before you answer.

**Clockwork** · 26th April 2005, 11:12

Originally Posted by drummer

For goodness sake... read my post before you answer.

I read your last sentance but it appears to be inconsistent with your other comments. Are you saying its ok to shoot and maim just so long as they don't die? How was this farmer to know when he pulled the trigger that no one would get killed?

**spudchucka** · 26th April 2005, 13:00

Originally Posted by drummer

Totally... the farmer should also receive compensation... what happened to him was a disgrace... and I can not believe for one moment that some cops... (Stand up Spud) believe that this is fair...

Life isn't always fair but the outcome of that case was.

**spudchucka** · 26th April 2005, 13:02

Originally Posted by drummer

absolutely NOT... that is what is wrong... he should not have been charged for defending his own property!

Well there are laws governing the use of firearms and he discharged his without due care and consideration for the consequences. He was charged as a result of discharging the weapon recklessly, that charge was totally appropriate.

**spudchucka** · 26th April 2005, 13:04

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I agree entirely with you there Spud, but shouldn't the same logic have been applied to Keith Abbot?

No !

**James Deuce** · 26th April 2005, 13:05

Originally Posted by drummer

Um... what about the privy council... she sold off the bloody court system!!!!!!!!

That is actually completely incorrect. The idea that NZ released the Privy Council from it's Supreme Court equivalent role is a fabrication of the NZ media and implanted in practically every communication about the issue. The Privy Council asked to be released from it's role as NZ's de facto Supreme Court, as it felt it had little understanding or relevance in light of the types of issues that were being bought before it.

**James Deuce** · 26th April 2005, 13:06

Originally Posted by drummer

If i stole your R6.... and then you caught me riding it... what would you do?

Ring the Police and lodge an insurance claim with my insurance company.

**Clockwork** · 26th April 2005, 13:22

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Well there are laws governing the use of firearms and he discharged his without due care and consideration for the consequences. He was charged as a result of discharging the weapon recklessly, that charge was totally appropriate.

If the charges were totaly appropriate, then how come the outcome was too?

**Lou Girardin** · 26th April 2005, 14:59

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Ok so maybe a quad bike is worth more than a life, what' the lowest value you would put on a thiefs life? How much does he need to steal before being eligable for your death penalty?

What was the Quad worth?

**sAsLEX** · 26th April 2005, 15:07

Originally Posted by Clockwork

He bloody near did kill somebody and he wasn't defending himself or his family

Ok so maybe a quad bike is worth more than a life, what' the lowest value you would put on a thiefs life? How much does he need to steal before being eligable for your death penalty?

If he was uninsured, maybe due to the excessive costs due to the abundance of theives in his area, then yes he was defending his family and himself. Without farm machinery his farm could well fail, leaving another family to go on to welfare!!

How can he a farmer tell if the person coming on to his farm with the intention of nicking shit aint going to turn around and murder him and his family? its happened before.

**scumdog** · 26th April 2005, 15:31

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

What was the Quad worth?

Probably more than the worthless twat that got shot!!

**Lou Girardin** · 26th April 2005, 15:55

McIntyre (the farmer) would be bloody good at snooker judging by the shot off the ute into the brown pocket.

**spudchucka** · 26th April 2005, 16:03

Originally Posted by Clockwork

If the charges were totaly appropriate, then how come the outcome was too?

By discharging his firearm at another person and subsequently injuring that person the farmer committed a number of offences. It was totally appropriate for the police to charge him with those offences.

The Court heard the charges and the evidence and decided not to convict. I won't presume to know the reasons why the Court made this decision, it would be very interesting to read the Judges summary. The decision was, (in my opinion) a wise one as it sends a message to thieves and to property owners that the sort of behaviour that led up to the shooting, (a burglary) is a serious offence with serious consequences.

Both decisions, the police and the court, were the right decisions in their respective circumstances.

Its a pity that the farmer has suffered through numerous court appearances and is no doubt financially worse off than he was previously. However he elected to discharge the weapon in a situation where his life or the life of another person was not in dire and immediate threat, he has to face up to the consequences of his actions. I agree that his expenses should be covered if he is charged and subsequently found not guilty.