Smearlection...

[oldrider]

Majority New Zealand is "left wing".

Nearly every party offering themselves to the NZ electorate is "left wing" by degree, some more so than others.

The only really "Right wing" organisation on offer in NZ is here: www.libertarianz.org.nz

Read what they have to say and draw your own conclusions!

When lefties want to make progress they lean to the ideas of the right but are afraid of the backlash from the left wing voters who keep them in power.

New Zealand suffers from the quality of government that they deserve simply because ultimately "that is what they demand".

The left wing media make sure that it stays that way by lampooning anyone who strays too far to the right.

What a sad, sad little country this is. Think for your selves, it's still not too bloody late! John.

[jrandom]

obama's speech, mccain's speech etc...

Speeches.

Yes, the Americans get to listen to lovely speeches.

And then they get to go to the polls and pick between a black figurehead offering hot air and recycled dreams and a bitter ex-soldier who just wants to watch the world burn.

And we do our regular flip-flop between our indistinguishable parties of the left and the right, and life in this country of woodchips and milk powder continues to potter along much as it always has.

I'm not sure what my point is, but I do believe I'll have another drink...

[Robert Taylor]

Speeches.

Yes, the Americans get to listen to lovely speeches.

And then they get to go to the polls and pick between a black figurehead offering hot air and recycled dreams and a bitter ex-soldier who just wants to watch the world burn.

And we do our regular flip-flop between our indistinguishable parties of the left and the right, and life in this country of woodchips and milk powder continues to potter along much as it always has.

I'm not sure what my point is, but I do believe I'll have another drink...

But at least Sarah Palin is easy to watch......and listen to. I think the thrust of your argument is that its just a merry-go-round, pretty much the truth.
Nonetheless I will still opt for a National Government and if I was American its a no brainer, McCain / Palin.

[jrandom]

But at least Sarah Palin is easy to watch...

Yes. Yes, I'd hit it.

[Marmoot]

I'm not sure what my point is, but I do believe I'll have another drink...

Whatever you're having, I think I need one too.

Sarah Palin.....reminds me of Suzy Cato

Hawt....

[Storm]

Suzy has long been well fit innit

[Sanx]

Something a little different, check out vidios

http://www.familyparty.org.nz/

Oooh look. A political party for the terminally delusional and weak-minded. But, probably to be expected given the person who posted up the link.

[Skyryder]

Majority New Zealand is "left wing".

Nearly every party offering themselves to the NZ electorate is "left wing" by degree, some more so than others.

The only really "Right wing" organisation on offer in NZ is here: www.libertarianz.org.nz

Read what they have to say and draw your own conclusions!

When lefties want to make progress they lean to the ideas of the right but are afraid of the backlash from the left wing voters who keep them in power.

New Zealand suffers from the quality of government that they deserve simply because ultimately "that is what they demand".

The left wing media make sure that it stays that way by lampooning anyone who strays too far to the right.

What a sad, sad little country this is. Think for your selves, it's still not too bloody late! John.

If left wing is to the left of the Libertians then on this measure you are correct. To use extreme political ideology and the the Libertarians are, extreem,as you have done to define, the ideological climate of NZ is to misunderstand the ideological bent of the electorate. If I was to use Marxism as the defining point then it would be fair to say that most NZ’ers are to the right. Personally I do not believe that the majority of New Zealanders do have a defining political ideology, not in the sense that Americans see themselves as either Republican or Democrats. Historically New Zealand has shown that it is conservative in nature and I use the term loosely and not in a political sense. This is born out by the numerical success of National Party electoral wins as against those of Labour. The succession of three Labour Governments under Clarke is an anomaly of this tradition but in no way could this be seen as a contradiction of the conservatism of NZ; not in my use of the word. And it is worth pointing out that Clarkes last win was based on lies of the Nats with Brash as their leader, not as you suggest ideology or the influence of a left wing press.

I can not recall any Labour win based on ideology. New Zealanders tend to be conservative in their politics and most, not all editorials, of the press reflect this.

Skyryder

[oldrider]

Don't worry, Labour will be back in power after the election!

How can they miss, they will coddle up to anyone or anything to retain power.

Labour, Greens, Maori, Anderton, Dunn and Winston if he survives. (he will) Take your pick! (Helen will)

Against:

National and ACT. (ACT perhaps)

Go figure, more Socialist, "social engineering" and virtually no opposition, the dictatorship will continue!

New Zealand is still in the political shit and it only the "depth" that is going to vary after the sham MMP election is settled!

Media trends, "The poll's are closing, the gap between National and Labour is getting narrower"!

Was it ever really there and how would you know? Bullshitting, brainwashing, bastards! Frustrated, John.

[Skyryder]

Don't worry, Labour will be back in power after the election!

How can they miss, they will coddle up to anyone or anything to retain power.

Labour, Greens, Maori, Anderton, Dunn and Winston if he survives. (he will) Take your pick! (Helen will)

Against:

National and ACT. (ACT perhaps)

Go figure, more Socialist, "social engineering" and virtually no opposition, the dictatorship will continue!

New Zealand is still in the political shit and it only the "depth" that is going to vary after the sham MMP election is settled!

Media trends, "The poll's are closing, the gap between National and Labour is getting narrower"!

Was it ever really there and how would you know? Bullshitting, brainwashing, bastards! Frustrated, John.

Of the parties that you have mentioned only Anderton and Winstone have stated that they will not form a coalition with the Nats. If you take Winstones credibility or lack of it that only leaves Anderton who will not form a coalition with National. Therefore that leaves all the others for the Nats to come to an agreement with to govern. So I could argue the same point in respect of the Nats.

On the basis that we do not know one way or the other on the state of the polls I do not disagree. But there comes a time when we must decide on the basis of probability of what we read is true or not. The same criteria is applied to what we believe, as against that of what we do not, given the fact that we must use trust or lack of it to come to a decision one way or the other. An example of this is your belief in Liberterainism. Given the fact that there is not one example of a country that has elected a government of this ideology your belief must be one of trust as there are no examples of proof as a government that it is a success. I raise this merley to demonstrate that trust is the foundation of a belief when there is no personal expertise or knowldege of the subject. We all do this one way or another and it is ultimatley how we make decisions. We trust ourselves and our intelligence to make the right ones.

Skyryder

[Swoop]

...Winstone have stated that they will not form a coalition with the Nats. If you take Winstones credibility or lack of it...

Sounds like he is between a rock and a hard place.
Cementing his relationship with Unkle Heilen, perhaps?

[Skyryder]

Sounds like he is between a rock and a hard place.
Cementing his relationship with Unkle Heilen, perhaps?

Word is that Winston is finished. Even if he survives there is a better chance of a Nat Labour coalition than Labour going with Winstone again.

Labour will not make the same mistake twice.

Skyyrder

[Niterider]

They're the only party that have the following:

1) A clear vision of where they want the country to be
2) A well thought out plan to achieve it.

Electorate vote National, party vote ACT you know it makes sense. Just don't vote for Liarbour (or Jim's Lairbour Annex) or the Watermelon party - because that will see you footing the bill for their election campaigns in future.

Well now that was very nice of you. Thanks!!. I think my mind's made up. Switzerland is governed by the people. They have referendum machines like we have lotto machines. They make the choices on most everything. I see ACT incorporated a lot of Switzerland's policies which definately says a lot!

[Big Dave]

I'm not sure what my point is, but I do believe I'll have another drink...

Bigdaveitarianism.

[Storm]

Tell us O party Leader Dave of the Bigness

What will your party deliver?