Hells Angel leader killed

**trustme** · 6th September 2008, 19:12

Time moves on , that was 40 years ago , rose tinted glasses etc , the modern day reality is sustantially different to a book from the sixties, or what I saw in the 80's
Don't romanticise it. the gang scene is still pretty ugly & probably more violent than ever. The stakes are higher so they play a smarter game , that is the only difference

**slowpoke** · 6th September 2008, 19:35

Deleted post, said same as above only typed a lot slower!

**Subike** · 6th September 2008, 19:38

Originally Posted by trustme

Time moves on , that was 40 years ago , rose tinted glasses etc , the modern day reality is sustantially different to a book from the sixties, or what I saw in the 80's
Don't romanticise it. the gang scene is still pretty ugly & probably more violent than ever. The stakes are higher so they play a smarter game , that is the only difference

Agree with you on this trustme. Here in NZ the bikie gang sceen changed in the late 80's, away from the club style it was, to warring factions and younger hot heads. Once laid back easy rider types no longer had anyplace in the groups. I agree that the stakes have got higher and the crimes worse. With the advent of electronic banking, internett and tougher police laws, drugs have become their main income. I think you will find many of the origional member of the gangs before the 80's have retired from being active menbers. Or they just plain grew out of the life style. Sure there would have been a cost paid by many who left. Family and age probably being a factor of that retirement or at worst (or best depending on point of view) became long term prison inmates.
The violence of the barabrian of the previous centurys has not dissapeared it has changed its face. The enemy of the people (pirates apaches, barbarians, outlaws, renegades) will always be with us, just in differing clothes.
I guess you could say that the Hells Angels and such groups are the american equivalent of the wild west outlaws. Just now on a steel horse.

**98tls** · 6th September 2008, 19:49

Originally Posted by Subike

Agree with you on this trustme. Here in NZ the bikie gang sceen changed in the late 80's, away from the club style it was, to warring factions and younger hot heads. Once laid back easy rider types no longer had anyplace in the groups. I agree that the stakes have got higher and the crimes worse. With the advent of electronic banking, internett and tougher police laws, drugs have become their main income. I think you will find many of the origional member of the gangs before the 80's have retired from being active menbers. Or they just plain grew out of the life style. Sure there would have been a cost paid by many who left. Family and age probably being a factor of that retirement or at worst (or best depending on point of view) became long term prison inmates.
The violence of the barabrian of the previous centurys has not dissapeared it has changed its face. The enemy of the people (pirates apaches, barbarians, outlaws, renegades) will always be with us, just in differing clothes.
I guess you could say that the Hells Angels and such groups are the american equivalent of the wild west outlaws. Just now on a steel horse.

No doubt thats how they prefer to think of themselves.

Mind you some of the kiwi wannabies are amusing to say the least,bizarre apehangers the helmet and the most important thing of all,the attitude.

reinforced with a soon to be on welfare 16 year old fatty on the back.

**Wingnut** · 6th September 2008, 20:26

And Russ Crowe is in some sort of 1% MC.

Classic - He is suck a pussy tosser!!!!!!!

**NordieBoy** · 6th September 2008, 20:33

Originally Posted by rachprice

Anyone read hunter thompsons book 'hell's angels'?
he effectively joined the gang for about 2 years, wrote about the shit they got up to in the late 60's (i think)
Most were pretty bad but from his point of view not nearly as bad as the media made them out to be

Apparantly the "gang" wern't too happy about what he wrote.

**The Lone Rider** · 6th September 2008, 21:27

Originally Posted by 98tls

16 year old fatty on the back.

Now now.. 16 year old fatty girls aren't all that bad.

But I'll be damned if I end up with a welfare girl!

Ok, can we all agree you can live the laid back out of the norm lifestyle embodied by the image, without the side that ends up on police reports? I hope so.

I met a guy in a pub who claimed to have been hells angels (even though he said he road a triumph sports bike). He scoffed at me, claiming the fighting they had to do allows "us" (as in my club) to ride like we do now. I dunno what he's on about. Fighting over who gets what area to do this or that in 20-30 years ago doesn't have much to do with me riding! Well I guess it would if all the fighting leading to bikes being banned!

**scumdog** · 7th September 2008, 15:33

Originally Posted by rachprice

Anyone read hunter thompsons book 'hell's angels'?
he effectively joined the gang for about 2 years, wrote about the shit they got up to in the late 60's (i think)
Most were pretty bad but from his point of view not nearly as bad as the media made them out to be

Yup, read it - and Hunter S. Thoompson seems a tad shadey himself.

BTW: What was the name of the loser-gang in the North Island who gave a few HOG members a tong-up for having the audacity to wear a 'patch' - aparently having a rocker under the HOG logo made said losers think there was a rival gang in town, dear-oh-dear-oh-dear, when will gang stupidity ever end??

**rachprice** · 7th September 2008, 15:42

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yup, read it - and Hunter S. Thoompson seems a tad shadey himself.

Hmmm yes and no, depends what you mean by shady...
He has been known to somewhat embellish his stories, and he took a whole lot of drugs but he wasnt really a bad person.
Someone that made you question your beliefs and ideas to really work out the reasoning behind them.
Interesting doco about his life just came out called gonzo...he ran for sheriff in Aspen and almost won!

**awayatc** · 7th September 2008, 15:43

Originally Posted by scumdog

BTW: What was the name of the loser-gang

Any gang is a loser- gang i would have thought......

**alanzs** · 7th September 2008, 17:04

Originally Posted by trustme

They have a pretty effective PR machine , but I always remember being told 'You treat us right we'll treat you better, fuck with us & we are your worst nightmare' You better believe it , I saw it in operation
FWIW I would place the other gangs further down the gene pool , but ultimately they are all best kept very much at arms length.

What you have said is very true. Back in LA, I used to live next to a guy who was a patched Hells Angel member. At the time I rode a Honda 750 and was about 18 years old. Him and his friends used to laugh at me and my bike and say shit like when you grow up, get a real bike. He used to shoot his hangdun off in the house and yard and beat his girlfriend, on a regular basis. They'd be fighting one minute and fucking the next. Knowing that bullets go through walls and the people behind them, when he'd get in a rampage, I'd have to lay on the floor at the farthest end of the house till he was done. Not fun. The police would come, regularly, to arrest him. They'd park down the street and using their microphones, ask him to come out, with helicopters flying above, illuminating his house. He eventually wasn't there one day and that was that. A very scary guy.

**P38** · 7th September 2008, 18:11

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yup, read it - and Hunter S. Thoompson seems a tad shadey himself.

BTW: What was the name of the loser-gang in the North Island who gave a few HOG members a tong-up for having the audacity to wear a 'patch' - aparently having a rocker under the HOG logo made said losers think there was a rival gang in town, dear-oh-dear-oh-dear, when will gang stupidity ever end??

The Ulysses Club of Australia had their AGM in Townsville this year about 4000 members attended.

Seems the local MC gang objected to them wearing there club badge and turned up to give them a bit of biff for wearing a patch on their turf.

The police had to intervien.

Pretty sad really.

**awayatc** · 7th September 2008, 21:40

Is why being old and grey does not impede people who think like me to have fire arms....for hunting of course....varmint to be precise.

be worth going to jail for

**HenryDorsetCase** · 8th September 2008, 15:54

Originally Posted by Subike

Fair comments guys, so apart from drugs (Pharmacitical companies), beatings (police tactic), stand over tactics (governments), protection rackets (Inland revenue department), porn (any television co/ magazine producer), What do they do that is outside of the white collar crime (that they cant do cause they bikers).
OK they ride Hareys, are sad fuckers, should be shot on site, wear patches, tatoos etc.
I guess that they are all round bad muther fuckers and the world would be better without them.
I wonder what they bought into the motorcycling world with their ideas?
There must be something these sad asses did that was worth while.

Fucksakes, read a book willya?

there is a well documented history as to how why and where the late 40's early 50's motorcycle gangs started. Its quite interesting reading, and a far cry from the relatively well oiled and efficient drug manufacture and distribution network and criminal enterprise that the gangs have become today.

It assists them that this romanticised view exists, and that lots of fat, balding mid life crisis fucks want to buy a virtual copy of that life (but only on the weekends). Its sold a LOT of H-D's over the years.