Veitch - lucky his car was well tuned

[Tank]

Devnul - You seem to have a very one eyed view of this whole thing.

OK - so all the assaults are alleged - I agree with you on that - its not proven (or not) until its been thru the courts.

BUT - you take all his statements as fact - You cannot have it both ways.

So you asked for proof - I can only offer that the informed Police have seen fit to lay charges. Do you have any proof that TV did all the things he said - or are you only taking his word for it ?

Im not looking to get you to change what you think - but you can at least give her the same benefit of the doubt as you give him.

I asked how you know that it will never stand up in court - as you only have the same info as the rest of us - you cannot give a reasonable answer instead go on about AOS and water pistols - It just shows that you have no idea really - just like the rest of us. Not that it stops you from having a strong view on it.

Re the background - I still fail to see how thats relevant- you keep saying that it is - but offer no reasonable reason.

So- I say again - its not. You say it is - why?

Basically you have added nothing - you just keep banging on like a TV fanboi, taking his word but putting down anyone who has come to a different view from you after reading the same crap in the papers.

BTW - you say :" BTW, "broken back" was sensationalist media hype. If you actually read the impartial piece the Herald ran, it was 2 cracked vertebra that hadn't been noticed initially, even with x-rays. "

by definition - thats a broken back. And I do remember reading that she was in a wheelchair for a period - although Im sure she just did that for shits and giggles.

[Tank]

Dude, if it was one of my kids that was molested, they'd never survive long enough to get to a court...

Just remember dude - its only alleged he did it - you have to wait until its gone to court before you kill him p/t

[devnull]

See, there's the problem...

You just highlighted several of the many inconsistancies in the media
regarding all this.

The only solid statements reported have been:
a) he said he lashed out
b) police stated they were charging him

Her story was released via a British tabloid media reporter - that was
no secret...

All the rest was hype or third parties....

Wonder where the wheelchair came from - wasn't it a hospital staff member that said she walked out?
That doesn't gel with carrying a massage table and cooking a Valentines Day dinner, does it? Or it's one hell of a wheelchair...

Maybe I'm being cynical, not believing what passes for television news these days.

I'm not going to repeat on here what may still be suppressed - I'm assuming it is, because the post was removed from the site it was on after about 3 days.

One thing's for sure - if they drag everything out in court, as they probably will, there'll be no winners.

The timing smacks more of a woman scorned, but I'll reserve judgement. I don't think he's blameless, any more than I think she is.

I'm not saying she asked to be assaulted, but I do think her subsequent actions are very questionable, to say the least

[devnull]

Just remember dude - its only alleged he did it - you have to wait until its gone to court before you kill him p/t

Ah, but you see, I'm very protective of my kids...

Anyone bringing them harm like that would have no further need of a birth certificate.
And given that the little scumbag that dropped the concrete onto the car in 2006, instantly killing the driver, only got 4 years, do you really think I'd want to trust a court? Especially a NZ one?

[Skyryder]

I don't need some Judge to make up my mind on Veitche's guilt or innocence.

One hundred and fifty thousand smackaroo's,and 'I lashed out' is good enough for me.

Veitch should have kept his mouth shut. But oh no he thought he could smooth talk NZ. That's the bit that I have taken personaly.

For those of you who want to give him the benefit of the doubt your choice.

I've made mine.

Skyryder

[devnull]

I don't need some Judge to make up my mind on Veitche's guilt or innocence.

One hundred and fifty thousand smackaroo's,and 'I lashed out' is good enough for me.

Veitch should have kept his mouth shut. But oh no he thought he could smooth talk NZ. That's the bit that I have taken personaly.

For those of you who want to give him the benefit of the doubt your choice.

I've made mine.

Skyryder

Well, it was the $150k that really cast doubt on it for me...

A demand like that, after 2 years, in return for silence, seems to be blackmail, not matter how you try to justify it.

You either file a police complaint, or you don't.
But to join up with a tabloid reporter and do that?

Sorry, I don't see how that's all above board

An interesting take on the media behaviour, written by a journalist.
Not speculating on the case, but rather looking at what passes for journalism in NZ these days:

http://poneke.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/veitch/

[Skyryder]

Not speculating on the case, but rather looking at what passes for journalism in NZ these days:

Yep I'd be looking at the timeline from when Veitch's Misses got the phone call and when the Heli was informed...........and anything in between.


I still think it was a PR job..............and it seems to be working. Just watch his PR and lawyers milk public opinion for Veitch's benifit. This is the start of his public remorse. Yea right. Why's it taken so long?


Skyryder

[Winston001]

Talking about being "in the public eye" is bullshit.
Politicians are, and have committed no shortage of crimes (e.g. paintergate), but they are "hands-off" it seems.

Well no. Firstly, Helen Clark scribbling her name on a painting for a charity fund-raiser (a decent thing for which she received nothing) cannot be compared with a guy kicking his ex-girlfriend. The "crimes" are worlds apart.

Secondly, politicians do get crucified - Colin Moyle, John kirk (Norm Kirk's son), Dover Samuels (pissing on a hotel floor, and taking advantage of a young ward in his home), John Tamihere, Tuku Morgan of the $90 undies fame....the list goes on.

Thirdly the passing of time does not erase crime - Louise Nicholas and Schollum, Rickards, and Shipton.

[Winston001]

Tony put Tony into the papers? What'd he do - write the articles? Yes he did badly - so have a lot of people. But it's the press in their blood lust to sell advertising space (fuelled by the public's lust for gossip that is NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS)...

... I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.

I feel sorry for him. He wants help, he needs help and he doesn't need a pack of wolves cirling waiting to devour the NEXT round of details on this sad saga.

Yeah respect for you and know what you mean.

The thing is, atonement comes from acknowledgement of wrong-doing. Its bloody hard to do and requires courage. Honestly, I think he's been badly advised. If he'd fronted up with his version of the facts in the first week, shed a few tears, admitted the assault (not just the carefully crafted "lashed out") he'd have turned the story around.

He's now facing 6 charges. He may very well avoid conviction on some of them but the police don't prosecute just to pass the time of day. A Crown prosecutor will have looked very hard at the evidence first. Ultimately it'll be his word against hers - just like Louise Nicholas - and we know the public's view on that travesty.

Not guilty only means not proven. It certainly doesn't mean innocent.

[Winston001]

Is it possible the supposed $150,000 was nothing to do with the assault? That part of it was relationship (matrimonial) property being finally settled between them?

[devnull]

Well no. Firstly you cannot compare Helen Clark scribbling her name on a painting for a charity fund-raiser - a decent thing for which she received nothing - with a guy kicking his ex-girlfriend. The "crimes" are worlds apart.

Secondly, politicians do get crucified - Colin Moyle, John kirk (Norm Kirk's son), Dover Samuels (pissing on a hotel floor, and maybe taking advantage of a young ward in hishome), John Tamihere, Tuku Morgan of the $90 undies fame....the list goes on.

Thirdly the passing of time does not erase crime - Louise Nicholas and Schollum, Rickard, and the other guy.

Do you really think so?
Police found a prima facie case to answer for forgery and conspiracy to defraud, but declined to prosecute.... Benson-Pope is another one...

Tamihere was found not guilty, but it didn't matter by then - nobody cared what the courts said...

[Tank]

Well, it was the $150k that really cast doubt on it for me...

A demand like that, after 2 years, in return for silence, seems to be blackmail, not matter how you try to justify it.

You either file a police complaint, or you don't.
But to join up with a tabloid reporter and do that?

Sorry, I don't see how that's all above board

here you go again - you get all this information from where exactly? - oh thats right - the media.

So if its bad about him - its the media.
Bad about her - then its fact.

You sound like a bloke who's been donw over by a missus at some point in time. Seek help and get over it.

[devnull]

here you go again - you get all this information from where exactly? - oh thats right - the media.

So if its bad about him - its the media.
Bad about her - then its fact.

You sound like a bloke who's been donw over by a missus at some point in time. Seek help and get over it.

Wrong again.... the media beatup has been very one-sided, and seems to be nothing more than tabloid journalism.

That such a demand could be made after the fact, with people condoning it or ignoring it as you appear to be doing, smacks of hypocrisy.
That's just double standards. Either you apply the law equally, or you don't.

But I don't buy the "all are equal, but some are more equal than others" crap.

I'll be sure to ask my wife of 12 years if she's "done me over" lately and I haven't noticed...

Even more disturbing.... a 15 year old girl is caught out in Chch attempting to lure other kids into suicide pacts.
Where's the public outcry in that case? Why is there no punishment?
I bet most people never even noticed it.

What a sad indictment on the average mentality of the general public.

[Tank]

Wrong again.... the media beatup has been very one-sided, and seems to be nothing more than tabloid journalism.

That such a demand could be made after the fact, with people condoning it or ignoring it as you appear to be doing, smacks of hypocrisy.
That's just double standards. Either you apply the law equally, or you don't.

Im not condoning anything - its a simply question - You are saying that the madia etc are crap and that there is more to it, and that we cannot trust everything we see in the papers / TV etc right?

Yet you make statements about the woman and quote the same media but say its fact.

Thats all Im trying to point out.

BTW - Perhaps Tony was in the pact with the 12yo?

edit - this is going nowhere - Im out of this thread. Cya!

[ManDownUnder]

Not guilty only means not proven. It certainly doesn't mean innocent.

Agreed - I'm a fan of accountability... if he did the crime(s) he does the time... that's the way it should be.

My problem is when the pulicity surrounding it escalates to a point where the gossip and personal humiliation for him, his friends and immediate family becomes an intolerable punishment - as it seems to have in this case. He's looking for an escape, a way out of the situation.

The punishment no longer fits the crime, and shows no signs of slowing. We (the public) should be ashamed.