Veitch - lucky his car was well tuned

[Skyryder]

Who is this Skyrider, the one who speaks of innocence until proven guilty, and, more importantly, innocent even when found guilty.... ???????????

The difference is that one has admitted to 'lashing out' and coughing up some dosh.
You can come to some other inferance from that than I have.


The other pleaded not guilty and cost the taxpayer two mill to have him stitched up.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt when required but unless Dunne-Powell is an expensive hooker with a fetish for masochism I'll come to the obvous conclusion that Veitch is guilty as charged. Of course in the eyes of the law he is innocent but I'm not the law and think otherwise.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

My inference is the same as yours actually....

What worries me is that he has been tried by nothing but the media. Dodgy at best and a worrying trend the media seem to be picking up on with all too regularity of late. They can say what they like and there is no recourse.

2 Million to catch a killer, I say. You say 2 mill to stitch him up.... But lets not get on that roundabout.....

[twotyred]

totally disgusting,hopefully this example of the media pushing a man with problems,to the edge will not go unpunished.
We the people are responsible for what we allow our media(and gubmint) to push down our throats unchecked... NZ should feel ashamed.

[alanzs]

You see it happen in the US, and people's lives are completely destroyed as a result. That the same behaviour is becoming popular here is a pretty sad indictment on the people of NZ.

NZ has no moral high ground in the media. When the NZ Herald put Rachel Guccina (sp) in their rag, subscriptions went up 30%. She's their gossip columnist. Sad shit, but money is the motivator, not public service or the truth.

[Patrick]

What I don't get is why the media isn't on the lady's back, she took the money. If that's the case, I donno, I wasn't there.

I hope she gives it back, Tony might need it!

-Indy

It was broken, remember? Sounds like it was earned. The courts would never order such a large payout. I hope she gets more.....

[Winston001]

Are you saying that the law should be applied selectively, as it was in that case? Surely, if a prima facie case is proven (as it was), it's up to the courts to decide...

Why should people place any faith in the law when clearly it only applies to some, not all?

Nah. We've argued this before but can't be bothered finding the thread. The police say they decide not to prosecute in about 25,000 cases a year. They always have that discretion.

Its no big deal. Sometimes a private prosecution is taken where the police don't act, as in the case of the Guy Wallace who was shot. The case failed.

All prima facie means is that there is sufficent evidence an offence might have been committed. This includes your speeding ticket the cop throws away.

I don't like Helen Clark but even I could see Paintergate was a media-fest and pretty much irrelevant compared to the economy, child abuse, Auckland motorways etc etc the sorts of things serious journalists should examine.

[devnull]

Didn't realise they didn't prosecute so many.

They only one I remember of a citizen initiating a prosecution is that accountant in Welly that had Trevor Mallard prosecuted for assault after the police decided not to...

I don't like Helen & co either. But more than that, I don't like seeing ANY politician, who is meant to represent the community, being let off for what appears to be the position they hold.
They claim public figures are held to higher standards, but are they really? I think not.

The outcome I'd like to see in this case (though unlikely, I admit), is for him to face the assault charges in court, her to face the consequences of extorting money (along with the tabloid reporter), and the media take some responsibility for their part as well. Never happen, I know....

It's like asking for a justice system to replace our system of law I guess

Not going to happen. Though it'd be nice. Then people like Mark Middleton would never have been convicted (he threatened to kill Paul Dally, the person that raped and tortured Karla Cardno for 22 hours before killing her. Mark Middleton received a 9 month suspended sentence.)

And victims would be given the right to defend themselves, with lethal force if necessary, without fear of retribution.

[Tank]

[QUOTE=devnull;1724043]her to face the consequences of extorting money (along with the tabloid reporter), and the media take some responsibility for their part as well. Never happen, I know....
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AGAIN !!!! (AGGHHHHH) You have NO IDEA if she extorted money or not - you are GUESSING from what you have read in the media.

At NO POINT has TonyV said she extorted the $$$$$
At NO POINT have the police said she extorted the $$$$$

Yet you seem to have made your mind up that she has!!!!! hell for $150k TonyV could take a civil case against her (fair enough too if she had)
it dosnt even require the police to place charges - but again he hasnt dont that.

If she has extorted the $$$ - then yep she should be charged for it and pay the price (as well as the money back) - but at this point there is nothing pointing to it other than people reading 1+1 and coming up with 5

[devnull]

AGAIN !!!! (AGGHHHHH) You have NO IDEA if she extorted money or not - you are GUESSING from what you have read in the media.

At NO POINT has TonyV said she extorted the $$$$$
At NO POINT have the police said she extorted the $$$$$

Yet you seem to have made your mind up that she has!!!!! hell for $150k TonyV could take a civil case against her (fair enough too if she had)
it dosnt even require the police to place charges - but again he hasnt dont that.

If she has extorted the $$$ - then yep she should be charged for it and pay the price (as well as the money back) - but at this point there is nothing pointing to it other than people reading 1+1 and coming up with 5

You can make a complaint to police, but as far as I know, you can't initiate civil proceedings to prosecute offences under the Crimes Act. Only the state does that.

The media said an assault occurred - you agree with them.
The media made varied claims about injuries - you believed them.
The media said that a demand for money was made 2 years later in conjunction with a tabloid reporter - you say what?

[Tank]

You can make a complaint to police, but as far as I know, you can't initiate civil proceedings to prosecute offences under the Crimes Act. Only the state does that.

The media said an assault occurred - you agree with them.
The media made varied claims about injuries - you believed them.
The media said that a demand for money was made 2 years later in conjunction with a tabloid reporter - you say what?

You can make civil proceedings without using the crimes act.

I generally DONT beleive everything I read in the papers. My old flatmate (guy called Terry Hill) was named and 'shamed' in the papers for attacking some women. When it went to court it was proven that this was not the case (very easily - no doubt in the matter).

I believe TonyV assulted her simply because he admits to physically lashing out - So Im actually going on what HE said not the media.

I belive the damage to the back - because they have proof of this - they are reporting the damage actually done. I dont know if she ended up on a wheelchair or not.

I dont actually believe that it was as bad as they say - however I DO believe that she was hurt - and to be honest I couldnt give a flying fuck if he simply bruised her up (in the lashing out he admits to) or had the back broken - both are physical assults and he should be charged as such.

Im not believeing the extorting bit because - well - thats just media crapola and you reading between the lines.

[Murray]

I generally DONT beleive everything I read in the papers. My old flatmate (guy called Terry Hill) was named and 'shamed' in the papers for attacking some women. When it went to court it was proven that this was not the case (very easily - no doubt in the matter).

DON'T EVER BELIEVE NEWSPAPERS!!!!!!

A case I was involved in once was reported in the newspapers with the alleged facts and even after the case was thrown out by the judge without the defence even being called (basically game called off at 1/2 time) the media did not once refer to the proven facts but continued writing articles quoting "the alleged".

I also love the latest media tactic on the Front Page of the Herald. They can now alter pictures to what they want by just putting "Digitally Enhanced Image" in little print in the top left hand corner.

Surely this is false advertising or misleading reporting.

Bad news sells newspapers - media philosophy!!!

[Tank]

I also love the latest media tactic on the Front Page of the Herald. They can now alter pictures to what they want by just putting "Digitally Enhanced Image" in little print in the top left hand corner.

One would assume that there is a difference between "digitally enhanced" - ie made brighter / contrast etc and altered - putting me in the middle of an orgy with Hallie Berry, Nicole Kidman and Angilana Jole?


Back in a min - off to the bathroom

[Tank]

One would assume that there is a difference between "digitally enhanced" - ie made brighter / contrast etc and altered - putting me in the middle of an orgy with Hallie Berry, Nicole Kidman and Angilana Jole?


Back in a min - off to the bathroom

Just seen the actual front page of the paper - Murray was right - it seems that the NZ Herald has actually edited a picture and called it an enhancement - Unless Glenn actually did hold up a "Yes" sign.

[Winston001]

You can make a complaint to police, but as far as I know, you can't initiate civil proceedings to prosecute offences under the Crimes Act. Only the state does that.

Not quite. Just to clarify, normally the State (Police, CYPFS, Customs, Serious Fraud etc) prosecute crimes. However every person also has the right to prosecute a crime if they consider the State is ignoring it.

It's rare - nice example with Mallard, especially since it was successful. The Attorney-General can step in and apply for the proceedings to be dismissed if its a looney case.

Civil proceedings are arguments between civilians - usually over money. Criminal proceedings are the State against a person who has broken a criminal law.

[Skyryder]

Not quite. Just to clarify, normally the State (Police, CYPFS, Customs, Serious Fraud etc) prosecute crimes. However every person also has the right to prosecute a crime if they consider the State is ignoring it.

It's rare - nice example with Mallard, especially since it was successful. The Attorney-General can step in and apply for the proceedings to be dismissed if its a looney case.

Civil proceedings are arguments between civilians - usually over money. Criminal proceedings are the State against a person who has broken a criminal law.

If you loose can cost you a bucket load. Probaly why there are so few.


Skyryder