If in doubt, gas it out. Really?

[Dani-D]

And by lean he means counter steer. It aint gonna lean by will alone. Push on the bars, drop it in and roll on the power.

She thank you very much

Its funny how much we do by instinct and feel, then think about it after its been and gone. The more I sat here going through the motions of what I do on the raod or track the more I realised its actually quite involved.

For me, once I started concentrating on getting my ass over the side and my head out and down, the rest came naturally. Still have the odd moment though, on Sunday coming down the Saddle Rd, I was having a bitch inside my head about sun strike and bugs on my shield when I focused on said bugs, just for a second. I was approaching a tight 35km corner following another bike and forgot the turn. Had to hang way off and didn't even think about it until i was through then started to half laugh/half cry at how close and how stupid that was.

Practice - practice - Practice - and then practice some more. Eventually, when you stop thinking and just do, you'll get it everytime. You may even be able to change track on your iPod as you do it. I've still to learn that trick.

[CookMySock]

I guess the point is I am getting into a bad habit of rolling off to tighten in a corner, instead of tipping it in more and cracking the throttle. Rather have the rear loaded to give traction than overload the front.

Its very scary trying to break that habit, and if you get a fright it is very difficult holding that throttle on, but maths and science is correct, and the result is impressive, and soon you will feel it and believe it.

I'd say if it was me and I aws committed to the turn and it was running out fast, I'd be trailbraking alittle, rolling the gas to compensate for the drag and leaning, leaning alot more than I already was.

This trailbraking thing is interesting. I read the earlier explanation and see how it works, but I don't understand how I can add throttle and brake the wheel simultaneously ? How does this work ?

Lean in more, thinking "wedge the seat side into my butt crack, hook my knee on the other side, look under the inside mirror, ignore my toe scraping on the road - thats normal - nothing to worry about, relax, your gonna make it and this really is FUN!" Seems to work so far.

That brings a tear to my eye.

Steve

[Quasievil]

If I find myself in a corner too hot, and running wide,

The Best advise is tackle the reason as to why youre going in to hot, in the fewest words possible, you shouldnt be, and if you are youre going to cop it eventually. You are not reading the road right or you are in the mindset that youre a racer, both situations will be fatal
For learning that level of skill you need to as other have said do a track day, that is a controlled enviroment for learning that kinda think.

Anyway, I havent read the twist of the throttle, I would suggest the best way would be to decelerate there by loading up the front a little and counter steer with your inside hand.
DONT touch the front brake, a little trail braking might help also

[Dani-D]

This trailbraking thing is interesting. I read the earlier explanation and see how it works, but I don't understand how I can add throttle and brake the wheel simultaneously ? How does this work ?

I think its a throwback from my first bikes. My background was in the Dirt where I either had the back brake on or off, nothing in between and I never developed any feel or finesse with it. I used to ride an NSR 2 stroke and would sometimes kill the engine with none too subtle stabs of the back brake when I was learning. Having it lock up then bump back into life mid corner ruined many a day for me and my long suffering dad.. I've killed off a few fairing sets in my early years.

Dad ended up resetting my rear brake so I could only use about 80% max.

I guess in practice, I'm actually only over lapping the brake and throttle for a second, brake on, then just before its coming off I'm rolling a little gas back on.

[Dani-D]

That brings a tear to my eye.

Steve

Thanks - I think

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Heading into the corner too hot??!!

Look to you exit (apex or vanishing point)
roll on the throttle (unloads the front tyre) or trail the rear brake (helps tighten the line)
weight the inside bar (counter steer)

Most importantly dont look at the area you think you will run wide into otherwise thats exactly where you will go (target fixation)

Best not to turn up at your corner too hot but we've all been there eh!

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

This trailbraking thing is interesting. I read the earlier explanation and see how it works, but I don't understand how I can add throttle and brake the wheel simultaneously ? How does this work ?

Steve

Its all about transfering weight and balance. Trailing the back brake and nailing the throttle out of the last right hander entering the start finish straight at Pukekohe keeps the front wheel down, stops you running wide and keeps you accelerating (all at the same time)

[CookMySock]

Its all about transfering weight and balance. Trailing the back brake and nailing the throttle out of the last right hander entering the start finish straight at Pukekohe keeps the front wheel down, stops you running wide and keeps you accelerating (all at the same time)

Ok I can sort of see how, but wouldn't the same thing be accomplished just by laying off the throttle somewhat ?

Many thanks,
Steve

[Quailboy]

Its all about transfering weight and balance. Trailing the back brake and nailing the throttle out of the last right hander entering the start finish straight at Pukekohe keeps the front wheel down, stops you running wide and keeps you accelerating (all at the same time)

Very interesting, always good to get some tips as I learn to ride.

I guess as you put the back brake on and roll on throttle it would push the front of bike downwards pushing front wheel into the ground therefore more grip.

[Quasievil]

roll on the throttle (unloads the front tyre) weight the inside bar (counter steer)

So Youre already coming into a corner to hot and you say the best thing to do is this?

So lighten the load on the front wheel by more throttle and increase the counter steer ?

Bags not.............introducing low slide.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

So Youre already coming into a corner to hot and you say the best thing to do is this?

So lighten the load on the front wheel by more throttle and increase the counter steer ?

Bags not.............introducing low slide.

Dude, the low side is going to happen BECAUSE of the load on the front wheel. Transfer some of thet load to the back and you give the front a chance.

Dont forget you are in an undesirable position and your looking to get out of it not make it worse.
Ask any racer about it and/or try it yourself and all will become clear

[bully]

isnt trail breaking like draging the rear, which slows you up and pulls you in, yer the throttle would be on, but only just cracked.im no expert but it helps me, i guess a slipper clutch gives you more confidence.

may sound weird but i learnt that from ps2, theres some real life like games out there, and it doesnt hurt when you ass up.

[Dani-D]

And remember my Dads favorite line when I was learning. "Look Through The Turn"

[FROSTY:Me]

Best advice I got --If in doubt-LEAN MORE

[Morepower]

Best advice I got --If in doubt-LEAN MORE

Actualy the best piece of advice so far in this thread. In most circumstances with us mere mortals the bike is far more capable than we are.

The best thing to do if you are coming into a corner too hot and you are probably real hard on the brakes is to let the brakes go ( not easy ) , then pull in the clutch ( seriously ) then look up to where you want to go ( i.e the exit of the corner . The idea is to get maximum lateral grip and you cant do this if you are braking or accellerating in any way.
I learned this in advanced driving , I thought I could drive a car out of a skid until I learned I couldnt, It works like magic if you loose a car and there was no reason it should not work with 2 wheels . its just physics and has got me out of the odd scrape.
Remember any accelleration or braking reduces your lateral grip , thats also why the fastest guys at the track are the smoothest in the corners.

Dave