Cordura jacket and pants that leak!

[ital916]

Come on guys, what resonable sane person would expect after five years for a jacket to be exactly like it was at the beginning. When purchasing a motorcycle jacket I basically expect it to last at least a year with hard everyday use. As for people saying this brand sucks and that one rocks. If we dig deep enough in threads you'll find a large variety of brands that have failed one person and been perfect for another.

Like I said originally, my view on the topic. If i ride in torrential rain I'm not gonna cry if the jacket leaks a little. If I get to my destination 75% dry thats fucking brilliant.

It is an amazing trait of many (not all) motorcyclists to want wonder gear for the least amount of money. You want good cheap rain protection, buy a jacket and put a rain coat on top of it. that would be too easy.

I agree 100% with quasis argument through this thread.

[MaxB]

If you buy cheap ass gear, then you get what you pay for and it's a hit or miss affair as to whether they will actually be waterproof. But if you buy good top end gear like Alpinestars/Dainese/BMW etc with genuine Gore-Tex membranes then they will keep you dry -period.

Not always so. I had a big brand Italian jacket whose neck fitting crapped out after a few months. I ended up paying to get it modified. Not nice on a grand plus jacket.

In my experience I don't think there is a great difference between a $1200 and a $600 jacket but in general a $600+ jacket is light years away from a $200 jacket.

With upmarket gear I find that the fit and finish is better eg it stays more comfortable for longer, seals down against the elements, has pockets that stay dry etc. Agree that Gore-Tex is pretty much the ultimate.

[cs363]

Not always so. I had a big brand Italian jacket whose neck fitting crapped out after a few months. I ended up paying to get it modified. Not nice on a grand plus jacket.

In my experience I don't think there is a great difference between a $1200 and a $600 jacket but in general a $600+ jacket is light years away from a $200 jacket.

With upmarket gear I find that the fit and finish is better eg it stays more comfortable for longer, seals down against the elements, has pockets that stay dry etc. Agree that Gore-Tex is pretty much the ultimate.

If you have paid to fix a 'big brand Italian jacket whose neck fitting crapped out after a few months' and assuming that this was actually the case -that it 'just crapped out' then more fool you. That as you describe it is a plain and simple warranty issue.
All I can take from that is either you aren't being completely honest, or your dealer has let you down regarding honouring not only the warranty but the CGA.
And remember that under the CGA it is actually up to the dealer to sort it rather than the wholesaler/manufacturer. It is then up to the dealer to sort it with the wholesaler/manufacturer.

[cs363]

In the couriers case he wouldn't actually be covered by the CGA anyhow as it's business use, which is specifically excluded from the CGA. At least it is if he is honest.

The case I outlined was (if you had read it in context) purely theoretical and besides, when it comes to warranty claims, much like insurance claims the percentage of 100% honest claims are very small....
If I had a dollar for every item that gets returned for warranty thats 'only be used two times'......yeah, right.

[Duke girl]

For your information AJ I rode from Napier to Waikanae in the rain when I picked up the Ninja from Gisborne so Yes I can ride in the rain and it doesnt bother me as a real rider will ride in the wet and dry. So you have even learnt more about me now. You can put that into your book of valuable information and everytime it rains and your sitting at home pondering around because you wont ride in the rain you can think of me out there in it ok?.

[mouldy]

I ride every day in all sorts of weather and after 26 years of autocycling I have come to the conclusion that all waterproof membrane gear leaks sooner or later and also having an outer shell holding a gallon of water sucks too . Regularly waxed leather seems to be as waterproof as long as you get plenty of wax in the seam . That said my Shift Quattro which is 3 years old does not leak yet , both pairs of Spyke pants now leak through the crotch where the membranes seams split and my oxtar boots don,t leak either .

[xr-rider]

For your information AJ I rode from Napier to Waikanae in the rain when I picked up the Ninja from Gisborne so Yes I can ride in the rain and it doesnt bother me as a real rider will ride in the wet and dry.

did you have a choice then though or did you have to ride it?

[ital916]

For your information AJ I rode from Napier to Waikanae in the rain when I picked up the Ninja from Gisborne so Yes I can ride in the rain and it doesnt bother me as a real rider will ride in the wet and dry. So you have even learnt more about me now. You can put that into your book of valuable information and everytime it rains and your sitting at home pondering around because you wont ride in the rain you can think of me out there in it ok?.

Haha, I love people trying to define a real rider. Duke girl the notion is kinda absurd. Who makes up the definition of a real rider. We could taker it further and say a real rider is one that basically lives on their motorcycle and abandons all non motorcycling aspects of their life.

Everyone has their own way of defining their riding character, some refuse to ride in rain or poor weather as it can take the enjoyment factor away etc. It is great that you can ride in rain or shine but again it would be foolish to judge that as being a real rider. I reckon that is a saying to which there can be no real definition.

Nice bike by the way.....mmm sexy

[freddy72]

I Brought cheap spool pants a jacket about a year ago now and is used almost daily in all weather conditions and have only been a little bit wet on my forearms from water seeping up from my wrists. In terms of buying the gear I was told that no gear will be 100% water proof no matter what the manufacturer claims as water will eventually get in around your neck, wrists or from the zip in the front if you are in the rain long enough.

[Max Preload]

I'm pretty sure that making a polar fleece which will still be able to be worn in 11 years is slightly more simple than making a 100% waterproof jacket that will endure rain hail and sunshine at 100kph that will last the same amount of time.

Of course it is, but the polar fleece cost $75 reflecting the simplicity of manufacture.

Well I bet if you return the waterproof jacket to it's original configuration (stitching, membrane, fabric, sealant) then it will do everything it did when you bought it.

Certainly, but with materials or chosen methods of construction that are inferior it will deteriorate much faster and no be repairable.

Really? I suppose there are a few. But hey, if a $500 jacket should be in perfect as new condition in 5 years, then surely a $20,000 bike should maintain it's top specs all by itself too.

Where have I or anyone else said that anything should be expected to last if neglected i.e. not maintained in the expectancy that it will maintain itself. And the purchase cost comes down to complexity of manufacture again.

Okay so when customers ask about the warranty I should say, I dont have one refer to the CGA lol yeah good one, you obviously have no clue. every customer requires a warranty position to be announced, its a warranty contract between the customer and the supplier, one which WILL offer that customer some remedy before needing to take it further if needed to at all, its part of the basis of the sale process.
examples
A/if you buy a item and the retailer says two weeks warranty only what does that tell you ??
B/ if you buy an item and the retailer says 12 month warranty, what does that tell you ??

the retailer is giving you a warranty based on his level of service and what you can expect from HIM if there is a problem.

I have no clue? Whatever. Learn to read what's actually written, not what you think is written... here it is again...

I thought you'd realise I was referring to your worthless position of 12 months warranty.

The reason your position of 12 months warranty is worthless is because you seem to think that stating it absolves you from all responsibility for any issues beyond that magic date. It does not.

Here's an example of someone who actually doesn't have a clue:

QUASiMOTO Ltd is not liable for any direct, indirect, special, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use, or the inability to use, the products on this site. This includes but is not limited to the loss of data or loss of profit, even if QUASiMOTO Ltd was advised of the possibility of such damages.

which is in direct contradiction to the provisions of the CGA, namely clause 18(4) which states:

In addition to the remedies set out in subsection (2) and subsection (3) of this section, the consumer may obtain from the supplier damages for any loss or damage to the consumer resulting from the failure (other than loss or damage through reduction in value of the goods) which was reasonably foreseeable as liable to result from the failure.

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[Quasievil]

Okay Smart arse, our lawyer obviously got it all wrong. Please tell us with your high wisdom and legal knowledge what our and everyone elses warranty offer should state ?

lets hear it?

what do we say to customers wanting a warranty?

Not forgeting the arguement you have is a waterproof Jacket failing after 3-5 years will be covered by the CGA which I argue it wont be as a 3-5 year period would be considered as a reasonable life expectancy for a article of clothing.

[Ragingrob]

Okay Smart arse, our lawyer obviously got it all wrong. Please tell us with your high wisdom and legal knowledge what our and everyone elses warranty offer should state ?

lets hear it?

what do we say to customers wanting a warranty?

Not forgeting the arguement you have is a waterproof Jacket failing after 3-5 years will be covered by the CGA which I argue it wont be as a 3-5 year period would be considered as a reasonable life expectancy for a article of clothing.

All I know is that if anything outta the ordinary happens with my Quasi gear, Paula an Brett are all too willing to fix it for me or pay out to get it fixed.

That's all I need from a retailer.

[Max Preload]

Okay Smart arse, our lawyer obviously got it all wrong. Please tell us with your high wisdom and legal knowledge what our and everyone elses warranty offer should state ?

lets hear it?

what do we say to customers wanting a warranty?.

Your toys seem to be flying out of your cot at an alarming rate. Calm the fuck down. Tell them what you want, just like most retailers - most people are ignorant of their rights - that's why the likes of Noel Leemings and Co can sell extended warranties to so many gullible gimps. But if I were you, I'd simply state that your goods carry a 12-month manufacturers warranty against defective workmanship and materials and any problems arising from claims made as to suitability for the purpose for which they are sold but beyond that the purchaser may have rights afforded them by the provisions of the CGA if the products are not abused.

Not forgeting the arguement you have is a waterproof Jacket failing after 3-5 years will be covered by the CGA which I argue it wont be as a 3-5 year period would be considered as a reasonable life expectancy for a article of clothing.

I would consider 3-5 years, depending on price paid, to be fair a reasonable use period for a jacket, used in a manner typical of an average motorcyclist, to remain waterproof if it was claimed it was waterproof when purchased. It's called durability and fitness for the purpose. I never said anything about after the 3-5 years - I mean withing 3-5 years of purchase one would have a reasonable expectation based on a number of factors, that it would remain waterproof.

All I know is that if anything outta the ordinary happens with my Quasi gear, Paula an Brett are all too willing to fix it for me or pay out to get it fixed.

That's all I need from a retailer.

Good on ya. How about the rest of the nation who aren't acquainted with them?

[Ragingrob]

Good on ya. How about the rest of the nation who aren't acquainted with them?

Acquainted? They're the seller, I'm the buyer, acquaintance made.

I'm just saying that it's a lot easier dealings through smaller companies where the people are actually seen and feel responsible. Unlike revit etc where their items are sold through hundreds of shops, it's easy for them not to care. All you get is the shop trying to move the blame on but not doing anything about it afterwards.

[Quasievil]

Your toys seem to be flying out of your cot at an alarming rate. Calm the fuck down.

err youre kidding right ? take more than this to get me going lol