Incompetence by NZ police re: death of officer.

[Indoo]

Bollocks .

There are probably many reasons why it wasn't practical to arm themselves (ever tried sliding under a car with an m24 strapped to you while trying to be covert?), there are probably many reasons why they chose that time to target the address, there are probably many reasons why they didn't believe the occupants had ready access to firearms and would use them and theres probably also many reasons why they chose to run and attempt to save the operation they were running.

Including Don Wilkinson they would have been an extremely experienced and highly skilled team who made the choices they did based on the information they had, they weren't cowboys and calling them incompetent and somehow apportioning blame back onto them from the comfort of your armchair is not only ignorant and extremely arrogant its also highly disrespectful.

[Patrick]

Plus 1.........

[skidMark]

Please do show this bit i supposedly posted blaming don wilkinson for any of this?

Feel free to quote me.

[Patrick]

Please do show this bit i supposedly posted blaming don wilkinson for any of this?

Feel free to quote me.

See my post #29...

Not you... another.... but you are saying similar to what was said in the other thread. Stop being so paranoid, ya "P" head....

[spudchucka]

Please do show this bit i supposedly posted blaming don wilkinson for any of this?

Feel free to quote me.

What difference does it make? Your thread tittle alone should earn you a good poke in the eye.

[Bend-it]

Your patience and understanding are an example of the professionalism of the police here. Not being a police officer, I would have said something like "You fucking idiot, what the fuck would you know about these things. SOMEONE DIED TRYING TO PROTECT YOU, YOU WORTHLESS TURD. If you don't think the police are doing a good enough job, then feel free to summon up the balls to make it better." Something like that...
Keep up the good work and be safe.

And when the citizen does, they get taken to court, put through the hassle of putting up a defence, with all the associated costs.

There are probably many reasons why it wasn't practical to arm themselves (ever tried sliding under a car with an m24

M24?? Nobody's talking about heavy barrelled sniper rifles, you tosser. How about a Baretta M9? Sig P226? or any number of sidearms that police anywhere else in the world carry on a regular basis.

I feel completely for the copper and his family. Even though I've received a few speeding tickets, I still want an able and armed police force protecting innocent civilians, and the mamby pamby softly green criminal rights groups can go suck it for all I care. Better yet, they should go sit down and have coffee with the wives of every cop killed on duty.

If the rationale for not arming our cops properly is to avoid an arms race with crims, then policy makers need to pull their heads out of their arses and look around. The crims ARE armed. Our cops are NOT. The arms race IS ON, and the cops are losing!!

The day someone took a stick to a fight, the arms race started. We just need to keep ahead of the opposition, which you'd hope a nation state could.

Ultimately, it's the fault of ALL YOU BLOODY TOSSERS WHO VOTED LABOUR THE LAST 2 ELECTIONS!! Don't pretend you didn't... they won, so a good proportion of kiwis did. The beauty of a democracy is that we deserve the government we get.

Rant over.

[skidMark]

What difference does it make? Your thread tittle alone should earn you a good poke in the eye.

Why should i have shut up and the man die for nothing?

Would you rather we all sit on our arse on issues that need looking at so they don't happen again / there are better measures in place to minimalize risk? i do not think the proper action was taken in this case, if you do not like it you do not have to comment.

What would happen if we did nothing in regards to the cheesecutter issue?. Same thing is it not?

It is all relevant.

Skid.

[maybe]

Arm the police so when shot at they can defend themselves, the police here are armed it does not seem to of started an arms war, the opposite seems to be in place since we have been here, there has been 3 crims shot and killed in Queensland, and no cops have been killed.
Also the public side with the police not the crims they support the police when a scumbag is shot. There is none of this they should not of used force so on and so forth.

[spudchucka]

Why should i have shut up and the man die for nothing?

Would you rather we all sit on our arse on issues that need looking at so they don't happen again / there are better measures in place to minimalize risk? i do not think the proper action was taken in this case, if you do not like it you do not have to comment.

What would happen if we did nothing in regards to the cheesecutter issue?. Same thing is it not?

It is all relevant.

Skid.

While I'm sure you have a reasonable understanding of the issues relating to cheescutters, I'm also equally sure that you have little to no understanding of the issues relating to the competence or incompetence of "The NZ Police" and how that applies to the death of Sgt Wilkonson. Talk about it all you want but broad, ill-informed statements like that don't help anyone.

[Patrick]

Also the public side with the police not the crims they support the police when a scumbag is shot. There is none of this they should not of used force so on and so forth.

This is the difference. Poor scumbag, bad copper....

While I'm sure you have a reasonable understanding of the issues relating to cheescutters, I'm also equally sure that you have little to no understanding of the issues relating to the competence or incompetence of "The NZ Police" and how that applies to the death of Sgt Wilkonson. Talk about it all you want but broad, ill-informed statements like that don't help anyone.

Spud is exactly right here. The header is piss poor Skiddy....

[jrandom]

I'm guessing the main reason the officers weren't armed was because no decent means of concealed carry or any sidearm other than the G17 was available. You can hardly be 'covert' with a whacking great holster on your belt.

Oh, for a properly resourced NZ Police force...

[Patrick]

A point missed by most, it seems, Jrandom..... Well spotted!

[skidMark]

While I'm sure you have a reasonable understanding of the issues relating to cheescutters, I'm also equally sure that you have little to no understanding of the issues relating to the competence or incompetence of "The NZ Police" and how that applies to the death of Sgt Wilkonson. Talk about it all you want but broad, ill-informed statements like that don't help anyone.

ill-informed?, i used the media, same as anybody else does?

so unless you have a source within the nz police? which is not public information, so put simply you are shutting me down and implying i am assuming things, but i am actually word for word using the information provided by the media as that is the median information that is allowed to be released is broadcast via.

So you are using a source that is not publicly available knowledge to all, to call me ill informed?

Top work buddy, good luck with that.

[Ocean1]

ill-informed?, i used the media

Ill informed and not very bright then...

[terbang]

humm yes and truely....How Many 13yr's would you like to see coming out at 33yr with twenty's yrs of.. inside training..FUCK NOT ME..and truely..its not a colour issues..its a easy at making it..getting it..

fourty eight bucks it cost roughly..... takes 7hours and its boiled and ready for sale.. "p" ..done..
out of that the return is nearly..$440.00 cost of a life.. huumm

sorry but prison... only supplies extra people on the outside to make more of it..

Good point there. But we definately need some sort of deterrent. Up here they don´t have a drug problem, though they do have chop chop square. A big problem if you are dealing with drugs.