November 8th - Now you know when not to vote Labour.

[SPman]

. There are around 450,000 kiwis in Oz at present, generally the ones we want in our country as they have the drive to do better and skills and work ethic to suit.

I don't!

Think of what the voting demographics would be if they were all living in NZ instead?

I'm voting the same as I would if I were living there

My prediction - it is going to be closer than the polls suggest, as Labour will sleep with anyone to stay in power and they have more options. With the Maori seats, they have a natural advantage. Add that to all those civil servants and beneficiaries who know a gravy train station when they see one...

Perhaps they understand and know how to use MMP better... and the Maori party will not automatically go Labour - they have been shafted badly by Labour in the last few years, particularly the botched Foreshore Legislation debacle! I wouldn't call living the life of a beneficiary a gravy train, exactly, unless thats all you have for food...and civil servants seem to be the same in "quality" and number under either party

If Helen gets in, watch the Aussie Exodus become a flood.

...how they going to afford the fares.......

If the Nats get in, they won't realistically be able to do anything doue to a tanking econaomy, and a huge voting bloc who cannot be upset, and a left wing media. They don't have the
balls to do what needs to be done - decimation of the bureaucrats (in the traditional Roman fashion) and serious cost reductions and accountability.

Accountability! From the National party! Where have you been the last 50 yrs!
Left wing media? The Harold, that bastion of reactionary rightwingery. TV - left wing?
Decimation of beauracrats - oh yes please, in however fashion.....

[Swoop]

I clicked it and its very slow to respond, is that a sign of the party ?

They are all out getting some snacks. "Getting a case of The Munchies" was mentioned...

[SPman]

You had better ask the Chinese that question. They are happy to use coal to run the power stations that are fuelling their economy.

They certainly do not care about their environment when it comes down to making a buck (or a Yen).
I bet they don't have the paperwork and resource management issues to contend with when applying for a new power station/building/city to be built, either.

Yet,surprisingly, the Chinese are way ahead of Australia and NZ when it comes to investment and use of renewable energy technology.
Over 1000 factories churning out solar water heating units, big investments in Wind and PV power cells - it's just that, there's so many of them and they are doing so much catching up with the west, that China is like a micrcosm of what went on in the West, spread over a much longer time scale!

[Swoop]

Over 1000 factories churning out solar water heating units, big investments in Wind and PV power cells

Manufacturing an item that is "green" is a seperate issue to using an item that is "green".
They might use whale blubber (or coal, or, or...) to fuel their steam engine that makes the solar water heater. (OK, it's an example)

China is buying up used batteries to recycle the heavy metals. I bet that meeting environmental discharge regulations is high on their agenda here.

[jrandom]

I wonder what Tatsuya Ishida would draw about our election?

[Magua]

It will definately get rid of most of the common crime like theft, murder (including boy racers using cars as weapons), rape etc. or am I missing something?

Was that sarcasm? How would they definately get rid of those crimes?

3: Resource "management"...

Odd, last I checked the RMA was brought in by national.

[Niterider]

Was that sarcasm? How would they definately get rid of those crimes?

Quote from Lib site:real crimes with genuine victims like rape, robbery, murder and theft can be vigorously pursued and the rights of these victims enforced and upheld.
Life sentences for real crimes will mean life.

[Niterider]

This is a quote from ACT's site:
"Miss Clark knows that tightening liquor laws and capping liquor licences won't stem the rising tide of violent crime - this is just a cynical and transparent attempt to make it look as though Labour cares about public safety," Mrs Roy said.

"If the Prime Minister were genuine about dealing with this problem, she would be demanding that the laws we already have are enforced - and looking at the contributing factors of education and welfare.

"Instead she is pushing for regulations that, while having a minimal effect on criminals, will penalise those New Zealanders who already obey the law - in the same vein as dog micro-chipping and the Anti-Smacking legislation.

"Offenders commit violent crimes, so Labour will punish innocent New Zealanders - where is the sense and justice in that?

[Niterider]

Better the Devil you know I say!.....
No doubt its the end for Labour but, lets check back on this thread in 12 months and listen to the National beaters.
When was the Government that had the whole country (or even 1/2 the country) pleased with everything they did?

My suggestion is to look away from the argument of who is pleased and who not. It is just common sence that the majority would prefer peace rather than war and clean rather than dirty and riches rather than rags. It is very easy by these measures to see who's doing the best job of Gubbirment...
The problem being many people have many crooked ideas of achieving it which almost always end up in non-achievement. There are rules to live by. Accept the rules and enforce the laws and you're on your way to better days. Ignore the rules (and the One that gave them) and you're turning life into your worst nightmare.

[Swoop]

Odd, last I checked the RMA was brought in by national.

Unfortunately not all your information is correct. It was introduced by labour.

Historical Overview:
The concepts underpinning the RMA were based on developments in both international and local thinking over the previous 20 years. The 1972 Stockholm United Nations Conference on Environment and Development provided the first forum for international debate on concepts such as integrated environmental management and sustainable development.

A subsequent audit of New Zealand's environmental management by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), in 1980, highlighted the need to improve environmental management locally. In 1981, the Nature Conservation Council prepared a report titled Integrating Conservation and Development: A Proposal for a New Zealand Conservation Strategy. This was one of the first documents to identify how the key ideas underlying the concept of sustainable development could be applied in New Zealand.

At the same time, during the early 1980s, there was a growing appreciation that key environmental legislation, including the Water and Soil Conservation Act 1967 and the Town and Country Planning Act 1977, needed to be reviewed. Later that decade, the new Labour Government began to investigate and implement institutional reform for environmental management at both the national and local government levels.

Work began on formally reviewing a number of environmental statutes in July 1988, after the Labour Government was re-elected to power. In December 1988, the government issued a proposal for a single integrated resource management statute that would replace the many existing statutory procedures. After an extensive consultation process, the Resource Management Bill was introduced into Parliament in December 1989, but the Labour Government lost power in 1990 before it was passed into law.

The new National Government decided to continue with the Bill, but first gave it to a Review Group for further consideration. As a result of the review, the minerals section was dropped from the Bill (and enacted separately as the Crown Minerals Act 1991) and other changes made. A revised Act was passed by Parliament in August 1991.

When enacted, the RMA repealed 78 statutes and regulations, and amended numerous others, to provide a single piece of legislation for the management of land, water, soil and air throughout New Zealand. The Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act 1996 subsequently replaced the hazardous substances section of the RMA, which never came into force.


Hopefully the reforms to this act will be done quickly.

[Magua]

Reading the link from your last post.
"For Labour, the Resource Management Act is about ideology. They say the Act is "beautifully written and beautifully crafted"."

Pretty rediculous way to think about the Act, IF that's what labour actually thinks of it.

[The Pastor]

election party at the strangers, be there or be gay.

[RiderInBlack]

Unfortunately not all your information is correct. It was introduced by labour.

...the Resource Management Bill was introduced into Parliament in December 1989, but the Labour Government lost power in 1990 before it was passed into law.

The new National Government decided to continue with the Bill,...... A revised Act was passed by (National Lead) Parliament in August 1991.

So therefore, it doesn't matter if ether Labour or National get in, We will be still stuck with the RMA So therefore using it as a reason to not vote for ether National or Labour is an invalid argument

[MisterD]

So therefore, it doesn't matter if ether Labour or National get in, We will be still stuck with the RMA So therefore using it as a reason to not vote for ether National or Labour is an invalid argument

If it had passed you by, National are promising to streamline the act to make major projects of national importance (hydro power schemes for instance) quicker and easier to consent.

[firefighter]

Oh and I reckon that anyone who has been on any kind of benefit for more than 6 months shouldnt be allowed to Vote, on the basis they dont contribute to the economy , rather they suckle on it. that way all of the fucking bludgers wont be able to continue dragging the country down looking after their own lazy bludging self interests.

Im going to form a party called the, world according to Quasi party !!

Your fucken right there, I totally agree, people not contributing to the economy certainly shouldn't have any sway over our government, same goes for prisoners (can they vote?) and ex prisoners, in my eyes they would only vote for a party like Labour which feeds their dole wage well.