November 8th - Now you know when not to vote Labour.

[Tank]

so 50 days to go - Just how low do you think labour will go in their campaign?

Personally I fond their comments inferring Key "is responsible" for the global markets is terrible - but the back of fag packet comments about Key sending 60 NZ'ers to come home in body bags is disgusting.

Still - with luck the truth about what Winny has on Labour will come out before the election ???

[Swoop]

So therefore, it doesn't matter if ether Labour or National get in, We will be still stuck with the RMA So therefore using it as a reason to not vote for ether National or Labour is an invalid argument

Did you click my link that outlines the changes that National want to make to this act?
The Looney Labourite Sect have used this act to bring development of NZ to a virtual standstill.
The bloating of the public servant's and their paperwork mentality, means that to get any projects to happen, the delays are unbelievable.
Ask anyone who has tried to build a house for their family, how much trouble they had.

[RiderInBlack]

Your fucken right there, I totally agree, people not contributing to the economy certainly shouldn't have any sway over our government, same goes for prisoners (can they vote?) and ex prisoners, in my eyes they would only vote for a party like Labour which feeds their dole wage well.

So therefore if ya happen ta be unlucky enough to be unemployed the year of the Election, ya shouldn't be able to vote? What if ya had a job the year before hand? What if ya had a job after the election. What if ya crashed ya bike and went on long term ACC? Ya not contributing any more, so no vote? The list goes on. Think you guys need ta be less judgmental about those in Welfare. By the way, they do take taxes out of all benefits.

[firefighter]

So therefore if ya happen ta be unlucky enough to be unemployed the year of the Election, ya shouldn't be able to vote? What if ya had a job the year before hand? What if ya had a job after the election. What if ya crashed ya bike and went on long term ACC? Ya not contributing any more, so no vote? The list goes on. Think you guys need ta be least judgmental about those in Welfare. By the way, they do take taxes out of all benefits.

NO that's a bit more cut and dry than I was intending......let me elaborate a bit.....

If you haven't worked for 6 months "just because"- well youv'e had enough time to get a job so you lose your right to vote,fucken simple, however if you start working again for say, 6 months full time then you regain the right to vote.

Sickness beneficiaries, well come on I don't expect them to lose their right to vote I honestly didn't think i'd need to elaborate on that....FFS

And yes, I am pretty jugdemental on most beneficiaries, the legitimate ones I have no issues with whatsoever, the other 98%, can go fuck themselves and have no right to choose the hands that feed them.

And as for the tax coming out of the benefits.....give me a fucken break, that's not paying tax, that just happens to make the fuckers feel like important members of society.(again not including the sickness beneficiaries,but why tax comes out of their money is beyond my train of thought)

[Sanx]

As an Ex Master Farrier, I've worked with Coal, and it is full of nasty crap gases. Old Farriers (Horse Shoers/Black Smiths ta ya non horsey buggers) ended up Fu*h lungs due ta Coal. Glad I was working with LPG. Why would any nutter want ta go back the the Industrial Age Pollution days using shitty coal?

Actually, coal can be a very clean fuel if the smoke is properly treated before it's let out into the atmosphere.

Ignore the rules (and the One that gave them) and you're turning life into your worst nightmare.

You were doing quite well up until you brought your imaginary friend into it. Religion and politics should never be mixed.

So therefore if ya happen ta be unlucky enough to be unemployed the year of the Election, ya shouldn't be able to vote? What if ya had a job the year before hand? What if ya had a job after the election. What if ya crashed ya bike and went on long term ACC? Ya not contributing any more, so no vote? The list goes on. Think you guys need ta be less judgmental about those in Welfare. By the way, they do take taxes out of all benefits.

Oh ... they tax benefits. That's OK then. Kinda like someone stealing $100 off me then giving me back $5 and expecting me to be grateful.

If you're unemployed and claiming the dole for the whole twelve months before the election, then you're simply not trying to get a job. End of story. You're not contributing to society in any meaningful form, so why you should get the chance to have your say in it? Sickness and disability benefit are a bit different; you don't (or shouldn't) go on them by choice.

[MisterD]

It's sort of a nice idea, but unworkable in practice I think. What about a situation where I finally get enough money for MrsD to give up work and be a full-time mum. She's no longer a tax payer, but should she lose her right to vote?

Of course, if we were sensible and brought in income splitting that issue would go away...

Personally, I'd just make it a requirement to pass a test and gain a voting licence.

[RiderInBlack]

If you haven't worked for 6 months "just because"- well youv'e had enough time to get a job so you lose your right to vote,fucken simple, however if you start working again for say, 6 months full time then you regain the right to vote.

Have you ever been unemployed for any length of time? I have on and off during the 80's when the unemployment was over 10% in Whangarei. Got made redundant in my first job. Getting any job was not that easy then. 6 months enough time, get real. Depends on ya qualifications, age and skills. By the way, when I have had a job (and I have done some shit ones in my life), I have worked very hard for little pay.
We're on the start of another recession, expect jobs ta get hard ta come by and unemployment ta raise, regardless if who is in power.

[Magua]

Personally, I'd just make it a requirement to pass a test and gain a voting licence.

That would have great potential to go wrong. Who would set what's in the test?

[firefighter]

It's sort of a nice idea, but unworkable in practice I think. What about a situation where I finally get enough money for MrsD to give up work and be a full-time mum. She's no longer a tax payer, but should she lose her right to vote?

Of course, if we were sensible and brought in income splitting that issue would go away...

Personally, I'd just make it a requirement to pass a test and gain a voting licence.

yeah, I definately hear you there, and that's where you would have a special situation, there's also the situation where people retire, and they do deserve to vote, as theyv'e worked and are living off their earnings, the group i'm segregating here (could get me in trouble that statement!) are the beneficiaries that don't work, haven't worked and won't work, not the full time mums with a working partner, surely it isn't that hard to ditinguish the difference between the two and label their benefit appropriately, and the type of government assistance recieved came with a clause, ie. the islander family that live next to me would not be entitled to vote because basically they are peices of shit, lazy fuckers, I have never seen them leave for work before, and there is no reason for them to recieve any assistance.

[firefighter]

Have you ever been unemployed for any length of time? I have on and off during the 80's when the unemployment was over 10% in Whangarei. Got made redundant in my first job. Getting any job was not that easy then. 6 months enough time, get real. Depends on ya qualifications, age and skills. By the way, when I have had a job (and I have done some shit ones in my life), I have worked very hard for little pay.
We're on the start of another recession, expect jobs ta get hard ta come by and unemployment ta raise, regardless if who is in power.

N.Z in 2008 is a far cry from N.Z in the 80's......I mean come on! yes, you CAN get a job in 6 months, as I said it's 2008, well, those that WANT to work can get it......
And no, I have never, ever, ever, been un-employed for ANY period of time since I was 12, and Iv'e done all sorts of work too.

[MisterD]

That would have great potential to go wrong. Who would set what's in the test?

A Royal Commission ought to be up to the job. Basic knowledge of how our democracy works, some basic general citizenship knowledge: history of the country; how the ToW fits in etc.

More wrong than dumb South Aucklanders voting how Labour and the EPMU direct in return for a KFC quarter pack?

[firefighter]

A Royal Commission ought to be up to the job. Basic knowledge of how our democracy works, some basic general citizenship knowledge: history of the country; how the ToW fits in etc.

More wrong than dumb South Aucklanders voting how Labour and the EPMU direct in return for a KFC quarter pack?

hahaha, how about the people responsible for the NZQA's that replaced School C?lol they did a good job with that

[Quasievil]

My Vote will be likely going to the party that will repeal the Emissions Trading Scam and the party who has a brain and realises that this whole Carbon crap is nothing but a new tax scheme embrassed by the stupid percentage of the population, infact if there was a party called the UNGREEN party I would probably vote for it, (assuming all other policies fitted with me).

This Government is a failure, it has achieve no further benefits to New Zealands critical areas, Health , Security, education, and if they cant even do that why exactly do we need a government ? I would rather keep my Taxes and buy what I need and what I want for my family............................Yes Im VOTING ACT !

[SPman]

Manufacturing an item that is "green" is a seperate issue to using an item that is "green".
They might use whale blubber (or coal, or, or...) to fuel their steam engine that makes the solar water heater. (OK, it's an example)

China is buying up used batteries to recycle the heavy metals. I bet that meeting environmental discharge regulations is high on their agenda here.

There is one city in China (of 3million people) that has 98% of its total hot water provided by Solar panels, residential and commercial. Do we see any initiatives like this in NZ, other than lip service to "we must use more sustainable power" ?
Fat fucking chance!

[Quasievil]

There is one city in China (of 3million people) that has 98% of its total hot water provided by Solar panels, residential and commercial. Do we see any initiatives like this in NZ, other than lip service to "we must use more sustainable power" ?
Fat fucking chance!

China Fires up a new Coal fuelled plant every ten days, does any other country ?