Wellington Wednesday Night Cruisy Summer Rides -- 2008/09

[davebullet]

My wife ended working late tonight so i am hoping that I will be able to come along next week. Do you still have a slow group? I'd love to bring out my Bantam but she sits at 70-80kph.

Yeah, come along. I couldn't make this week's ride, but am up for next week. 70-80k no problem. Safer if we travel with you in a group at that speed anyway.

Dave.

[Drogen Omen]

All I said was how one can avoid the problem you are having if he takes a wheel into a shop to get a tyre changed.

Take it or leave it, I couldn't give a fuck.

Any way. If you took the whole bike in then there's no excuse. Have fun changing your tyre by the way.

haha yeah i know... point taken thanks... no need to get ya panties in a twist... hehehe i was just pissed off that day from work and stuff...

now i get to do the fun part... we'll its fun untill you do something wrong and then you just get pissed off... hahaha

but im sure i'll be able to do it. see you all next wednesday... ALL OF YOU RIDE SAFE and stop being so bloody serious... its supposed to be a fun ride... if i cant keep up and im pushing it its my problem... i should just get over the catching up feeling and just ride at my own pace.

who cares... do what ever you guys want if you wana go slow go slow if you wana go fast go fast as long as we all meet up later that is the main thing...

where's the love ya'll

[catilover]

was abit suprised when no-one came around the corner after me haha was wondering where everyone had gone!!!

had to stop to make sure.....

[driftn]

was abit suprised when no-one came around the corner after me haha was wondering where everyone had gone!!!

had to stop to make sure.....

Well you must have been riding to fast, You really should slow down as it is the cruisy wednesday night ride.

[driftn]

Maybe your all riding to slow and are not carrying enough speed through the corners and that is why you fellas are droping like flys.

Dont see that happening on the thursday night "GP"

[Fatjim]

I hadnt seen this thread as Ive been busy at work evenings.
To set the matter straight. The 'Bollocking' was delivered by myself. I took the role of tail end charlie on the ride over the 'taka's. There was Drogen on a 350 trail bike 2 up. Which was plainly seen at the start, Which I would have expected to 'register' with the lead bike riders. The lead bikes, ( later on one of them did agree they hadnt been riding with a group in mind) Took of at a speed that went way above the limit, (an 'admission' of 140 was given later). This in itself is not a problem until you have a smaller cc bike 2 up trying to stay with the group. Correctly pointed out by another post, people will often not 'complain' so as to not be seen as a pussy.
The 'Bollocking' I delivered?? Was simply to state that Drogen was pushing his bike to try and keep up. One reply was in effect that there will always be a tail ender etc. I commented that If I took a guy on a 250 on a ride to Auckland and 'cruised' at 160km's Would that not be inconsiderate? it would leave the 250 at 10/10ths where for an FJ this is all day, CRUISING SPEED. My 'knowledge' of the Wednesday night ride is for a relaxed pace for those on smaller capacity bikes and less years/miles on the road, or simply for us OLD FARTS to enjoy.
Later on the return journey I had the 'pleasure'?? of being 'overtaken' on a bend by the flying smoke bomb 150! No problem at all, he judged where and when, I had plenty of 'warning' he was going to, and I was not going to push my bike or my limit to 'race him'. I have been out with the thursday night group, and was the tail ender over the hill, bike limit and my unwillingness to ride to 10/10ths notwithstanding. Talking to Drogen, he is not an 'experienced' motorcyclist and I mean no disrespect in saying that. Simply he is still developing the skills of riding. I am also still doing that after 34 years and many 100,000's of K's.
If My 'bollocking' upset anyone? I do apologise for the upset caused, but NOT for the message it contained.

TBH, I think you think too much. The faster guys, if they want to, will always get to the top first. Those of us who are slower will get there later. It really doesn't need much more cpu cycles than that.

A group ride doesn't have to be a staggered formation ride with jolly ohs and pip pips and lots of waving all the way.

[James Deuce]

TBH, I think you think too much. The faster guys, if they want to, will always get to the top first. Those of us who are slower will get there later. It really doesn't need much more cpu cycles than that.

A group ride doesn't have to be a staggered formation ride with jolly ohs and pip pips and lots of waving all the way.

TBH there's a crash every week on the "cruisy" ride. What does that say? Not enough cpu cycles being used, I reckon.

[Ocean1]

TBH there's a crash every week on the "cruisy" ride. What does that say? Not enough cpu cycles being used, I reckon.

Really?

Then there's some statistical weirdness going on here... I've been on an unknown but reasonably large number of TCWNR funxions, and I'm aware of just one.

A point could be made regarding the velocity and likely causes involved in that case I suppose, but I can't be fooked...

[sels1]

TBH there's a crash every week on the "cruisy" ride. What does that say? Not enough cpu cycles being used, I reckon.

Huh? Ive been going on the TCWNR since its inception and I can only recall around 3-4 bins in as many years. The fact there has been 2 this year is unfortunate. Last weeks one was a minor low speed low side where the rider was able to hop back on his bike and carry on with very little damage.
Hardly the 'crash every week ' you are going on about. Why dont you come along and see for yourself sometime, Jim, old chap?

[Paul in NZ]

Some advice for future reference.

If you take a wheel into a workshop to have a tyre fitted, make sure you put a great big arrow on the rim showing the direction of rotation.

Otherwise the person fitting the tyre is liable to guess resulting in the problem you find yourself with now.

Wrong - it's their job to do that - if they are not sure - thats what the job card with your contact details are for.

The nice lads at wellington MC's always leave a nice chalk arrow on the guzzi disks to let me know they thought of it... God knows how they figure the trumpy out...

Anyway why not change your own tyre - aint rocket science

[James Deuce]

Huh? Ive been going on the TCWNR since its inception and I can only recall around 3-4 bins in as many years. The fact there has been 2 this year is unfortunate. Last weeks one was a minor low speed low side where the rider was able to hop back on his bike and carry on with very little damage.
Hardly the 'crash every week ' you are going on about. Why dont you come along and see for yourself sometime, Jim, old chap?

Really?

Then there's some statistical weirdness going on here... I've been on an unknown but reasonably large number of TCWNR funxions, and I'm aware of just one.

A point could be made regarding the velocity and likely causes involved in that case I suppose, but I can't be fooked...

There's been 2 crashes in 4 weeks, so yes you're both right, it's a crash every other week, not every week. I don't think velocity has much to do with accidents myself, but that might be in reaction to a Govt message about speed killing.

[Ocean1]

There's been 2 crashes in 4 weeks, so yes you're both right, it's a crash every other week, not every week. I don't think velocity has much to do with accidents myself, but that might be in reaction to a Govt message about speed killing.

You're cherry picking. And even then your data's dodgy, I understand the first of those crashes wasn't a rider involved with the group.

Look dude, learners crash. It's a fact of life. You know what causes that as well as anyone, probably better. It's not inevitabe, but it's bloody rare for a learner to survive the first couple of years without incident. And while velocity is probably often a contributing factor I rather think history shows that most wednesday rides are generally cruisy enough to represent a reasonably safe environment in which to learn.

[davebullet]

It is seductive to newbies to ride beyond our skills when following a faster rider. After all - if they can do it, so can I. Only two solutions to that problem. Experienced riders who hang back a bit, knowing they are setting the example, or newbies to realise they aren't bulletproof and know their limits.

It would be good to see you experienced riders at the next ride, leading by example. But looking at the threads above, I doubt that will happen. Mentoring seems to be by internet / keyboard here.

[Lilly2w]

It is seductive to newbies to ride beyond our skills when following a faster rider. After all - if they can do it, so can I. Only two solutions to that problem. Experienced riders who hang back a bit, knowing they are setting the example, or newbies to realise they aren't bulletproof and know their limits.

It would be good to see you experienced riders at the next ride, leading by example. But looking at the threads above, I doubt that will happen. Mentoring seems to be by internet / keyboard here.

Come along next week dave, I think you will be pleasantly surprised, the 250's and L plates sat up the front and followed the great cornering lines demonstrated by sels1, the pace was easy and the group really friendly. Much better experience than the ride a couple of weeks ago.

[Hawkeye]

learners crash. It's a fact of life. It's not inevitabe, but it's bloody rare for a learner to survive the first couple of years without incident.

(Sometimes It can take 3 years before the first 'off' as in my case. - and mine was easily avoidable)
I do have to agree with some of the threads on here. A less experienced rider following a 'faster' rider can easily find themselves going into a corner hotter than they are capable of handling. The adrenalin kicks in as pace increases and the 'he can take the corner at that speed so so can I' philosophy can have a number of consequences. If they are lucky, they go wide with nothing coming the other way. The others options can be more life threatening.

We should be encouraging the smaller bikes and L platers to come along and set the pace so they are comfortable. (we don't need to ask about the pace- we just need to think back to when we were first learning and what we would find as a comfortable pace!). Also, some of us old farts prefer the more sedate pace anyway.
Learners reading about '100k+ pace will be reluctant to join in the ride if they are only comfortable at 90-95k.

Anyway, my baby is almost fixed and ready so unless something crops up, I will be there this Wednesday..