Black Power want to claim treaty $$$$

[fire eyes]

Where ya been hun, we've been waiting for you

I was at Macdonalds waiting for you imdying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ordered you a Mochachino .. but youll have to gimme the money back so I can buy me some loafs a bread ..

*twirls around in rainbow coloured grass skirt*

Ohh do you like what Iv done with my skirt .. its pretty eh ... grabbed some spray cans from my shed .. you know the ones I use for tagging .. and sprayed my skirt multi-coloured rainbow colours!!!!! I may be a poor-useless-good for nothing maori mongrel but I sooo love pretty colours!!!!!!

[RiderInBlack]

The gangs are due to the colonisation of New Zealand if it wasn't for colonisation they'd still be throwing stones at each other & dining out on their cuzies down the at the next pa

So before colonisation they where "Peaceful" warring "Tribes" instead of trouble making "Gangs". Yep I can see it is all the fault of the Brit's, cause they didn't know the word "gang" before hand.

[T.W.R]

So before colonisation they where "Peaceful" warring "Tribes" instead of trouble making "Gangs". Yep I can see it is all the fault of the Brit's, cause they didn't know the word "gang" before hand.

well they were almost there with Tribes

Have to admit though by comparison the Nth island gangs are a lower form of life to the southern ones having had the pleasure of lived in Huntly for a while then frequenting Wanganui regularly they're a bunch of Gorillas. Spending a night at the Aramoho pub was an eye opener especially when one of the guys decided to mouth off at one of Mob
Watching the Filthy Few rumble through Matamata was

Makes the southern counterparts look reasonably civilised apart from our wee white power collection the old harris gang or what ever the frig they're calling themselves now

[Wingnut]

Such a thing as a Gang making a claim on the treaty could only be contemplated in this totally PC obsessed society. Where does it end - Its time for a Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Patrick]

I wonder why Turia hasn't expressed her support for this yet?

Shes not intelligent enough to stay quiet on her own accord.....

That aside, Its as legit as any other claim.

The silly bint has added her 2c worth... in support....

Other claims have merit. These pricks don't. Claims should be made against THEM for all the trouble they have caused over the years......

[RiderInBlack]

The silly bint has added her 2c worth... in support....

Other claims have merit. These pricks don't. Claims should be made against THEM for all the trouble they have caused over the years......

Now ya talking. Because of Gang behaver, we live in a more fearful Sociality. Gangs have caused an ever increasing cost to NZ to deal with they activities. Yep, time the Gangs repaided the Country for the years of grief and damage they have left behind.

[candor]

I'm all for it - prolly the most pointed poignant claim of all. In the minority again........?

[Patrick]

Now ya talking. Because of Gang behaver, we live in a more fearful Sociality. Gangs have caused an ever increasing cost to NZ to deal with they activities. Yep, time the Gangs repaided the Country for the years of grief and damage they have left behind.

I'm all for it - prolly the most pointed poignant claim of all. In the minority again........?

I guess we should wait till they get their multi million dollar Waitangi payout before we lodge a claim then? Go ya thirds???

[Headbanger]

double post, delete at will.

[Headbanger]

Surely if we are going to shoulder the blame for Maori issues then that would apply to all Maori?

Personally I think they should consider the fact their lives are much better due to colonisation but that's not the way the grievance system is set up. Instead they will eat shit, sleep all day, then blame an "inadequate" health system catering to the white man, as if that "imagining" is some how responsible for their lifestyle choices which gives em a higher rate of diabetes.

[candor]

Warning - excess PC read follows.

I guess we should wait till they get their multi million dollar Waitangi payout before we lodge a claim then? Go ya thirds???

The claims aren't for money. More likely for apologies. So I suppose gang victims including members can ask for a share of the apology for having the odds stacked through anti Maori policy harrassment and land stripping that they'd grow up rootless psychopath type abusers or to be their victims by birthright.

But reading the following article I wonder how this works for gang women. What if some are Maori and some not.
Does the apology only go to the brown wives and girlfriends or kids who got abused or landed on the streets at risk from one and all... or only to the wives and girlfriends of the brown abusers (not white abusers within gangs) but only if the wives and girlfriends be just brown. It's confusing to me because some gangs are mixed bags and as such form "family groups".

And why... in the event that it is finally established by legal argument that colonisation screwed up a population (or segment)... contributing to gang lifestyles being uptaken... should an apology which would seem to be sought on grounds of the treaty principles "right to equal opportunity" being breached, not also go out to random victims of gangs who aren't members (whether brown or any other rainbow shade). After all non Maori did co-sign the Treaty, and the random victims are surely a larger sized class of people than the 60,000 odd gang members and associates.

Yes Patrick I think all those ill affected by gang antics should also get a cut of the acknowledgement in this claim. Anything else might be racist.

Gang women lodge Treaty claim
4:00AM Friday Sep 19, 2008 By Yvonne Tahana

No legal basis for gang's Treaty claim - Cullen

A Treaty of Waitangi claim on behalf of all gang women has been lodged by Aroha Trust, a group who were caught up in the gang scene in the 1970s. It follows on from a Black Power claim lodged with the Waitangi Tribunal before the September 1 deadline for historical claims which blames colonisation for the existence of gangs.

Trust member Pip Desmond, who is writing a book about its members, said the women's claim was similar and would look at Crown failures that had led to "cultural alienation, economic despair, impoverishment and abuse of Maori women and their whanau in gang environments".

Like the Black Power claim, it is not seeking any compensation. Instead, it views the process as a "truth and reconciliation" forum. The Wellington-based trust was set up under Sir Robert Muldoon for women between the ages of 15 and 22. Over three years in the late 1970s, 30 took part in government-supported work schemes.

Most of the women had been in welfare homes or were street kids, had been abused, were children of parents who had moved to the city and so were dislocated from their roots, Ms Desmond said.

"The point of it is everyone needs to have a voice so that they can heal."

Commentators such as Black Power life member Denis O'Reilly credit the group with challenging attitudes towards gang rape - a gutsy and courageous stand in the 1970s. He said what these claims pointed to was probably the beginning of the end for gangs - or at least for Black Power.

Many members were getting older and saw how "pointless" being in a gang for criminal reasons was. Many owned their past mistakes but wanted "Crown recognition" that gangs didn't spring out of nowhere, they were a result of social policies and colonisation, Mr O'Reilly said.

"People are already identifying their own failures. You start saying, 'Well, I f***** up here, I committed that crime or whatever but if I'm planning a future for my kids sorting out the systemic issues is one of the problems'."

But gang claims have drawn derision from MPs such as Labour Cabinet minister Shane Jones. "Treaty claims belong with the iwi, and gang involvement in the claims will find no public sympathy. "The only claim they should be making is that they have found more tinnie houses, more production houses for this dreadful drug P. "Only when I see and hear of them closing those down in their own networks will they enjoy a sliver of sympathy from me."

Hmm. If O'Reilly is for real the "truth and reconciliation" should be open to all affected by gangs through this process. The women say they are owning their past mistakes. Well if they victimised any non gang people then shouldn't truth and reconciliation include inviting them to be a party to this claim? Or would the link back to ill effects of colonisation be too tenuos for third parties, legally speaking.

[1 Free Man]

To all guys out there who want to have a bit of maori blood,find a virgin maori chic.Choice eh bro.

"VIRGIN MAORI CHIC". intresting concept. Never realised there was such a thing.
Oh yes I remember they hold their AGM in the phone booth outside the old post office don't they.

[1 Free Man]

The gangs are due to the colonisation of New Zealand

Ah excuse me. Weren't they running around in gangs way before the european came to NZ. I think they called themselves TRIBES at the time.
Even then they had their gang/tribe Patches. Their Gang/Tribe fortified Pads/Pa's. Their gang/tribe Ngati names. Whats fuck'n changed. Now they want the NZ tax payer to fund them even further. Helen and her C--ksucking cronies will let it happen to. They don't mind where the votes come from makes Ya want to

[T.W.R]

Ah excuse me. Weren't they running around in gangs way before the european came to NZ. I think they called themselves TRIBES at the time.
Even then they had their gang/tribe Patches. Their Gang/Tribe fortified Pads/Pa's. Their gang/tribe Ngati names. Whats fuck'n changed. Now they want the NZ tax payer to fund them even further. Helen and her C--ksucking cronies will let it happen to. They don't mind where the votes come from makes Ya want to

well they were almost there with Tribes

Just think it all started with the Wheredafukarewe tribe back when they washed up on the beach in their waka

actually it's a wonder they haven't claimed ACC for a traumatic experience of their fore-fathers wondering lost around the south pacific in a hollowed out log

[fire eyes]

actually it's a wonder they haven't claimed ACC for a traumatic experience of their fore-fathers wondering lost around the south pacific in a hollowed out log

Ohh excellent idea T.W.R .. Ill write that down and pass on your idea at the next Occupation I attend!!!! Fantastic thinking!!!!