Keep it this way

**James Deuce** · 25th January 2005, 18:01

Originally Posted by GoodAndSuchLike

I was fully expecting that.

What i was going to say, is that people from other countries get quite confused because they dont know the difference between the two. While I was in Canada, i met too many people who could not tell the difference. That needs to change

Im not TRYING to trash australia, it just seems to happen....

Which just goes to show that Stupid People (tm) exist the world over. I know English people who can't tell the French and Italian flags apart and you don't see the French or the Italians bothering to react to that one bit.

**Midnight 82** · 25th January 2005, 18:05

Maybe just add a bike to it and then it will stand out HEHE

**Posh Tourer :P** · 25th January 2005, 18:42

Originally Posted by Jim2

Which just goes to show that Stupid People (tm) exist the world over. I know English people who can't tell the French and Italian flags apart and you don't see the French or the Italians bothering to react to that one bit.

Or even the French and Dutch....

**James Deuce** · 25th January 2005, 18:48

Originally Posted by Posh Tourer :P

Or even the French and Dutch....

Heehee

Or the Spanish and German, though how people do that, I'd have no idea.

**Posh Tourer :P** · 25th January 2005, 18:51

Originally Posted by John

I cant beleave that these 'people' of so called interlect want to change it if I see them I will happily kick there fooken ass or attack them with the ZZR (its on my side you know).

I mean what the hell, as said all the people who fought for the flag including my dad in WW2, and the nation and democracy - I mean what the hell. I cant beleave they want a referendem (sp) on it, no true 'kiwis' will resent the idea of a new flag.

In actuall fact its a bunch of half assed homo dickless/tit-less (pc) pieces of crap who want to be remebered for fucking up a country, well newsflash go eat freash fooken ass you pricks!!

(sorry its how I feel)

I think what you mean is this:

I can't believe that these 'people' of so called "intellect" want to change it. If I see them I will happily kick their fucking arses, or attack them with the ZZR (its on my side you know).

I mean, what the hell, as all the people said who fought for the flag, the nation and democracy including my dad in WW2 - I mean what the hell. I cant believe they want a referendum (sp) on it; no true 'kiwis' will resent the idea of a new flag.

In actual fact its a bunch of half-arsed homo dick-less/tit-less (pc) pieces of crap who want to be remembered for fucking up a country. Well newsflash! Go eat fresh fucken arse you pricks!!

(sorry its how I feel)

Sorry, there was just so much in there.......

:sly:

**Indiana_Jones** · 25th January 2005, 18:53

Keep it the way it is, McQueen would of wanted that

-Indy

**Posh Tourer :P** · 25th January 2005, 18:58

Originally Posted by Jim2

Heehee

Or the Spanish and German, though how people do that, I'd have no idea.

I can understand Luxembourg and the Dutch, but Spanish/German is just weird....

On the subject of similar flags; Belgium/Germany, France/Holland/Luxembourg and Ireland/Italy, but you don't hear them trying to change. Are we suffering from a small brother syndrome?

**avgas** · 25th January 2005, 19:03

Originally Posted by Jim2

Why does everyone think that:
A. Changing the flag will matter a bit.

you havnt seen any american maps have you (weather reports are the best). Cos on them NZ is tasmania.....ive even been asked where "The bridge to Sydney" is.
Yeh all those flags on that site suck (what do you expect from Art students), but the old one, well when i think of NZ, the only thing off that flag that sticks is the southern cross (and thats taken by aus).
As for the soldiers, funny, i certainly wouldnt be dumb enough to die for a flag....for my country and loved ones, thats a different story.
So am i confused, in thinking that all the anzacs died for, wasnt the brittish flag and the southern cross

**Blakamin** · 25th January 2005, 19:03

and people think changing the flag is going to make people notice NZ and realise it has nothing to do with Aussie

most american, euros and asians couldnt tell you what either of the flags looked like!!!

**Blakamin** · 25th January 2005, 19:07

Originally Posted by avgas

So am i confused, in thinking that all the anzacs died for, wasnt the brittish flag and the southern cross

well, I'm thinking, since they died in europe, it WAS the british flag, the british empire and all its nations...
people these days have absolutely no patriotism... fuck, I'd die for the flag coz its a representation of all down in this corner of the world that is good... flags are an emblem.... it's not the flag itself, its what it represents...
If someone wanted this land (or Australia) I'd defend either in a heartbeat... and die if it meant my children could grow up to have everything that I've enjoyed in my short life....

**Slingshot** · 25th January 2005, 19:08

Fuck em all!!!

I think changing the flag is bull shit!!!

Tell me...when you see our flag, do you think about mother England or does it stir national pride in your belly?

The meaning of symbols change over time, just look at the swastika as an example! (and before you ask...I'm not pro nazi!)

**James Deuce** · 25th January 2005, 19:10

Originally Posted by avgas

you havnt seen any american maps have you (weather reports are the best). Cos on them NZ is tasmania.....ive even been asked where "The bridge to Sydney" is.
Yeh all those flags on that site suck (what do you expect from Art students), but the old one, well when i think of NZ, the only thing off that flag that sticks is the southern cross (and thats taken by aus).
As for the soldiers, funny, i certainly wouldnt be dumb enough to die for a flag....for my country and loved ones, thats a different story.
So am i confused, in thinking that all the anzacs died for, wasnt the brittish flag and the southern cross

It's not just the US, the BBC has taken to the same kind of misrepresentation of late.

The Southern Cross wasn't "taken" by Australia. You may find we were first.

It's not a flag either, it's an Ensign.

http://flagspot.net/flags/nz_hist4.html

http://www.ausflag.com.au/ausflag/bhist.html

**James Deuce** · 25th January 2005, 19:13

Originally Posted by Slingshot

Fuck em all!!!

I think changing the flag is bull shit!!!

Tell me...when you see our flag, do you think about mother England or does it stir national pride in your belly?

The meaning of symbols change over time, just look at the swastika as an example! (and before you ask...I'm not pro nazi!)

Stop apologising when mentioning the swastika. Hitler flipped it over and canted it 45 degrees. It is a symbol of good luck on two continents and a sub-continent. Why should a temporarily dominant lightly populated Western European culture claim historical and culutral ownership of something that wasn't their's first? Because we're all weenies, with a tenuous grip on our own history and culture.

**Blakamin** · 25th January 2005, 19:18

Originally Posted by Jim2

Stop apologising when mentioning the swastika. Hitler flipped it over and canted it 45 degrees. It is a symbol of good luck on two continents and a sub-continent. Why should a temporarily dominant lightly populated Western European culture claim historical and culutral ownership of something that wasn't their's first?

political correctness

???

and Jim2, if your trying to illustrate the history of the Australian flag, try to find a website that DOESN'T want it changed to get it right.....

**Coyote** · 25th January 2005, 19:19

Out of all the popular flag designs, why did the koru have to be one of them? Are we all Moari? If we want to be fair, we would put the union jack on it, stars and stripes, rising sun, china's emblem, a Kangaroo, etc etc.

Koru? FTS

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