Ozzy27 F3 Race bike

[Ozzy27]

ozzy that dyno graph you posted has two runs.

was that concept one and concept two???

Hi,
Yes the 2 runs shown are the orignal idea and after the changes thought out. which is how it was when raced.

[Ozzy27]

Ozzy. That answers a few questions I had. Was thinking "fark me that's a fast 400 with 600 bodywork".

Don't think I'll bother saving up for an NC29 anymore :-) A Yamaha R4.5 is on my Christmas list.

Umm...could you do the same trick with a 955cc triumph?

Absolutely fantastic. Something I hoped could be done (and mentioned in the previous forum) but don't have the know how to do my self.
This could just save F3! Well done, bless you and now I am also seriously looking at an R 4.5 Yamaha instead of going the ol' SV route (nothing wrong with them but prefer a modern well handling frame, better looking etc) when I do get back into racing.

Hi,
I would love to build one out of an R6. I did it with a suzuki because that was the current bike i had the most experience with and a bike came up at the right Price (Thanks Shaun). I would be happy to do the conversion for about $900 + Parts depending on the ease of the conversion.
Cheers
Chris

[Ozzy27]

Well done Chris, you are certainly beating to a different drum. But you are not only beating your drum, you have followed through on what you said you were going to do. Now you just need some 25mm cartridges so the bike can brake later, etc!

Thanks Robert,
I have never been into following the crowd for the sake of it. I like to keep an open mind and ask questions that is the best way to learn. If that makes me different so be it.
25mm cartridges will be on the shopping list when 250 rolling chassis sell (or maybe a set of R&T forks to get tounges wagging)
Cheers
Chris

[Ozzy27]

Ozzy27 - Are we going to have a discussion and 'how-to' over how anyone can perform this surgery by themselves or do you wish to keep it as a trade secret?

sorry I am hoping to build some of these as an add on to my current work.
If anyone is looking for servicing or freshing up of their race bikes drop me a line.
Good Quality work at a fair price.
Cheers
Chris

[johnsv650]

what did the dyno give out hp wise ?
john

[johnsv650]

how many hp did it develop ?

[Ozzy27]

how many hp did it develop ?

Hi John,
it made 74.7hp Graph is on page 2 of thread.
Engine is still std just pipe and empro.
seems to have better top end speed than an SV with similar HP.

[roadracingoldfart]

New Zealand seems to have a lot of poeple who say you cant do this or that wont work. Just look at a few of the "experts" who posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77299
that said this would not work. Well it works!! It is going to be raced!! The rule book does not need to be rewriten as this is not a "cylinder" in the context of capacity.If anyone wants to fight over it bring it on!! bring your cheque book and your lawyer because you will have a fight on your hands!! Ask about, I know what I am talking about and I am a doer! not a talker or an "expert" who sits on a computer 24/7 telling people "How it is".
All you "experts" should spend some time reading something that may teach you something(SAE articles etc) instead of hanging around forums trying to out do each other!

Hell Chris , some of those comments are a bit beyond left field.
Yes you are a dooer but i also remember you stacking the deck a bit by racing a 250 gp bike in clubmans class a few years ago with all your racing past. That was a good fight wasnt it !!!!
The new bike is a feather in your cap but i dont think you have to talk all but the so called gods on the forum down . Society of auto engineers is far from the bible. its a bit specialised at times dont you think.

Paul.

[Billy]

Hell Chris , some of those comments are a bit beyond left field.
Yes you are a dooer but i also remember you stacking the deck a bit by racing a 250 gp bike in clubmans class a few years ago with all your racing past. That was a good fight wasnt it !!!!
The new bike is a feather in your cap but i dont think you have to talk all but the so called gods on the forum down . Society of auto engineers is far from the bible. its a bit specialised at times dont you think.

Paul.

Actually Paul,I think youll find,This is exactly the sort of posting Chris is referring to.Its neither your place or mine to be deciding what bikes are eligible for clubmans.I mean would you have been happier if he was on say a GSXR1000/600 or R1/6 which are capable of much faster laptimes and are much more user friendly.Add to that the fact the MNZ rule used to be that as long as you hadnt held an MNZ licence for 2 yrs or more you were eligible for clubmans and the fact that the vic club had guidelines in place that Chris clearly didnt breach then I dont see your point.I dont mean for this too be taken as a personal attack and would be the first to condone the huge effort you and Diane are putting in with Nicky,Steve and co.However what chris has done will be hugely beneficial for F3 in the long term and lets face it the older 400s as much as we like them are at the end of their development and are hugely expensive to make competitive for F3 at a national level.Chris is hugely passionate about whatever he gets involved with and hes clearly on to a winner for everybody with this project

[codgyoleracer]

If anyone is looking for servicing or freshing up of their race bikes drop me a line.
Good Quality work at a fair price.
Cheers
Chris

I am certainly happy to vouch for Chris & the quality of both his knowledge & his work. Chris also has a full understanding of racing culture & the specialist mechanical considerations that a racebike often needs. That can be hard to find in little ole New Zealand.
Glen Williams

[Ozzy27]

Hell Chris , some of those comments are a bit beyond left field.
Yes you are a dooer but i also remember you stacking the deck a bit by racing a 250 gp bike in clubmans class a few years ago with all your racing past. That was a good fight wasnt it !!!!
The new bike is a feather in your cap but i dont think you have to talk all but the so called gods on the forum down . Society of auto engineers is far from the bible. its a bit specialised at times dont you think.

Paul.

Hi Paul
The year I raced clubmans was the first year I was back in New Zeand from Europe and I had't raced a bike for over 6 years. If I remember correctly I was racing against a former front running 250 production racer who was also coming back from a break. I make no apoliges for what racing in clubmans. it allowed me to let a rider with a lot more ability to race it in the other clases. This is what I have been doing for the last 20 years!! Also why are you trying to make a attack on my persona?? I dont know you, have never meet you and have never said anything about you!! It is this sort of thing that will always only ever have the "experts" on here! Please come and introduce yourself next time at a race meeting!
I love building and riding race bikes but I also get a kick out of seeing them ridden to their potential which I can never do.
People like myself are the backbone of the sport in NZ and stay around for a lot longer that most riders and put in a lot more money as well.
I say good on you for getting some bikes out there for others to ride we need more people doing that.
I just get really pissed off at all the negativity on here at times and people who are really quick to shoot down an idea. I love debate but it should be considered and thought through. The last thing I would like to say is I HATE!! shit stirrers in racing. If it doesn't affect you or someones saftey stay out of it! If you really want to get involved do it the correct way and get involved with MNZ they are always looking for Helpers.

[svr]

Hi Paul
The year I raced clubmans was the first year I was back in New Zeand from Europe and I had't raced a bike for over 6 years. If I remember correctly I was racing against a former front running 250 production racer who was also coming back from a break.

After a 10yr break thought I'd have a race on my road sv... only to be blown away in bloody clubmans Was traumatised back into retirement for another 5 yrs, where I should have stayed.
Bit of a cheap shot really, and Chris is right in that historically clubmans enabled 2 riders to use the same bike at a meeting - more riders out there having fun which is what club racing is all about, right? Its a recent and bizzare development that people actually care who wins clubmans races.

Also amusing to read that old thread where people thought the 450 triple would vibrate .

[roadracingoldfart]

Actually Paul,I think youll find,This is exactly the sort of posting Chris is referring to.Its neither your place or mine to be deciding what bikes are eligible for clubmans.I mean would you have been happier if he was on say a GSXR1000/600 or R1/6 which are capable of much faster laptimes and are much more user friendly.Add to that the fact the MNZ rule used to be that as long as you hadnt held an MNZ licence for 2 yrs or more you were eligible for clubmans and the fact that the vic club had guidelines in place that Chris clearly didnt breach then I dont see your point.I dont mean for this too be taken as a personal attack and would be the first to condone the huge effort you and Diane are putting in with Nicky,Steve and co.However what chris has done will be hugely beneficial for F3 in the long term and lets face it the older 400s as much as we like them are at the end of their development and are hugely expensive to make competitive for F3 at a national level.Chris is hugely passionate about whatever he gets involved with and hes clearly on to a winner for everybody with this project

Well where did i say a certain bike was or wasnt eligible for a class ??
Clubmans is in actual fact full of 600 & 1000 cc bikes , so thats what the class is for , learners on thier bikes developing the required skills to move to thier bikes primary class. I did acurately point out that a GP 250 bike was in clubmans and at the pace it was being riden (very well as always) it was what i would refer to as a boring title as ther wasnt a bike near him all season. I didnt state that anybody breached any rules or guidlines at all so where did that come from?.
I agree the likes of Chris's bike and the SV 650s are going to be great for F3 and the natural development of theses types of bikesmean there will be room for a class like a 400 cup.
I am also hugely passionate in anything i do - well i always try to be.
I dont take anything personally really , i tend to defend others more than myself so no offence taken.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Hi Paul
The year I raced clubmans was the first year I was back in New Zeand from Europe and I had't raced a bike for over 6 years. If I remember correctly I was racing against a former front running 250 production racer who was also coming back from a break. I make no apoliges for what racing in clubmans. it allowed me to let a rider with a lot more ability to race it in the other clases. This is what I have been doing for the last 20 years!! Also why are you trying to make a attack on my persona?? I dont know you, have never meet you and have never said anything about you!! It is this sort of thing that will always only ever have the "experts" on here! Please come and introduce yourself next time at a race meeting!
I love building and riding race bikes but I also get a kick out of seeing them ridden to their potential which I can never do.
People like myself are the backbone of the sport in NZ and stay around for a lot longer that most riders and put in a lot more money as well.
I say good on you for getting some bikes out there for others to ride we need more people doing that.
I just get really pissed off at all the negativity on here at times and people who are really quick to shoot down an idea. I love debate but it should be considered and thought through. The last thing I would like to say is I HATE!! shit stirrers in racing. If it doesn't affect you or someones saftey stay out of it! If you really want to get involved do it the correct way and get involved with MNZ they are always looking for Helpers.

We have met and i also have been racing for over 20 years , i still have my old ACU licence !! .
How can you read into my post that an attack on your persona was the aim or result ? i re read it and cant see that anywhere.
To say you can never ride a bike to its full potential is shit , you are a good rider and im not alone in that train of thought , and you know it yourself.
Your bike building is good and like you i get a kick out of doing well on what is considered underated machines. I campaigned a CB400/4 from 1982 till 1992 so i know what its like to have a bike thats a bit differant.
I would never want to be involved in any way with MNZ as i find them to be a closed door brigade. I rang Paul Pav recently and got the only real set of answers from the organisation for my questions , only because of the racing we have done together in 6 hour events and nationals etc.
Anyone else will normally not get great performance out of them unless they are in the clicky clan.I prefer to stay associated with club level racing and clubs , so do most riders if the amount of attendies at club meetings versus nationals is compared.

PM sent also.

Paul.

[roogazza]

Hi Paul
The year I raced clubmans was the first year I was back in New Zeand from Europe and I had't raced a bike for over 6 years. If I remember correctly I was racing against a former front running 250 production racer who was also coming back from a break. I make no apoliges for what racing in clubmans. it allowed me to let a rider with a lot more ability to race it in the other clases. This is what I have been doing for the last 20 years!! Also why are you trying to make a attack on my persona?? I dont know you, have never meet you and have never said anything about you!! It is this sort of thing that will always only ever have the "experts" on here! Please come and introduce yourself next time at a race meeting!
I love building and riding race bikes but I also get a kick out of seeing them ridden to their potential which I can never do.
People like myself are the backbone of the sport in NZ and stay around for a lot longer that most riders and put in a lot more money as well.
I say good on you for getting some bikes out there for others to ride we need more people doing that.
I just get really pissed off at all the negativity on here at times and people who are really quick to shoot down an idea. I love debate but it should be considered and thought through. The last thing I would like to say is I HATE!! shit stirrers in racing. If it doesn't affect you or someones saftey stay out of it! If you really want to get involved do it the correct way and get involved with MNZ they are always looking for Helpers.

Thats a bloody excellent post !

and Clubmans ain't just for squids, some might just be able to wake up a few in other classes ? Gaz.