Ozzy27 F3 Race bike

[Cajun]

very very interesting idea there ozzy.

[Ivan]

its a wicked bike and really fast

[gav]

I Have spoken to MNZ waiting for conformation but inital feedback is that with no valves in the head it will be classified as a balance weight. Which is what it is. A four stroke engine must have an induction compression,power and exhaust strokes by definition. without valves none of these occur. therefore that cylinder can not be call an engine!! and a 600 is really 4x 150cc engines.
so now it is 3 x 150cc engines. It is like saying the Ducati supermono was a 1000cc engine because that was what it was once.

A Supermono only runs one piston and one cylinder though.

Cool if they allow it but they may need to rewrite the rule book on how you measure the cubic capicity of an engine then!

Do you still run an injector and coil to the "dead" cylinder then? Is there anything to indicate that the bike is modified by looking at the motor?
Good to see some lateral thinking put into practice!

[svr]

A Supermono only runs one piston and one cylinder though.

Cool if they allow it but they may need to rewrite the rule book on how you measure the cubic capicity of an engine then!

Do you still run an injector and coil to the "dead" cylinder then? Is there anything to indicate that the bike is modified by looking at the motor?
Good to see some lateral thinking put into practice!

Well done Chris - the bike sounds awesome and goes well. It definitely looks the most affordable route to a competitive F3 bike - hopefully this innovation leads to a revival of F3 with a bunch of decent, affordable, interesting bikes out there going at it it - as the class was originally intended.

The supermono ran a reciprocating weight (dummy conrod on oscillating beam) and won a NZ title without any sad git protesting its balancing mechasim. Whether or not the reciprocating weight was previously used to produce power seems to me to be of no importance.
Unfortunately ... there are some petty people out there who will try to get this banned, or at least try to get the rules `clarified' next year in order to ban it. Hopefully they are not listened to.

[Ozzy27]

A Supermono only runs one piston and one cylinder though.

Cool if they allow it but they may need to rewrite the rule book on how you measure the cubic capicity of an engine then!

Do you still run an injector and coil to the "dead" cylinder then? Is there anything to indicate that the bike is modified by looking at the motor?
Good to see some lateral thinking put into practice!

New Zealand seems to have a lot of poeple who say you cant do this or that wont work. Just look at a few of the "experts" who posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77299
that said this would not work. Well it works!! It is going to be raced!! The rule book does not need to be rewriten as this is not a "cylinder" in the context of capacity.If anyone wants to fight over it bring it on!! bring your cheque book and your lawyer because you will have a fight on your hands!! Ask about, I know what I am talking about and I am a doer! not a talker or an "expert" who sits on a computer 24/7 telling people "How it is".
All you "experts" should spend some time reading something that may teach you something(SAE articles etc) instead of hanging around forums trying to out do each other!

[johan]

Are there any photos of this incredible machine? I must have seen it without realising what it was!

Exiting stuff!

[Toast]

Very cool! In the drama of the weekend that was I forgot to keep an eye (and an ear) out for this machine. Hope that I get a chance to see it in future. Hope the project goes well for you, Ozzy

[lostinflyz]

New Zealand seems to have a lot of poeple who say you cant do this or that wont work. Just look at a few of the "experts" who posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77299
that said this would not work. Well it works!! It is going to be raced!! The rule book does not need to be rewriten as this is not a "cylinder" in the context of capacity.If anyone wants to fight over it bring it on!! bring your cheque book and your lawyer because you will have a fight on your hands!! Ask about, I know what I am talking about and I am a doer! not a talker or an "expert" who sits on a computer 24/7 telling people "How it is".
All you "experts" should spend some time reading something that may teach you something(SAE articles etc) instead of hanging around forums trying to out do each other!

to be honest i thought it wouldn't work based on my experience with dropping a cylinder on other vechiles (i.e. pulling a lad). Im real impressed that you did it and got the results for the costs you say. obviously the new 600's have little losses due to the piston movemnt,probably explaining there really good power output. good on you for following through i say.

Even though this will shit on my oldish 400 (prob even a 450 if i did one) id still truly be gutted if it was for some idiotic reason deemed outta rules. people should encourage thought and new ideas.

thanks for proving me wrong in regards to power and money. I 100% support anything that propels man faster in any way possible. even when it means i am wrong. damn.

[lostinflyz]

ozzy that dyno graph you posted has two runs.

was that concept one and concept two???

[Ivan]

Chris,

I find it funny the people whinging are the ones who were not out there,
Guys like me who were getting absolutly blitzed by this beast didnt even care we all think its a great idea and F3 is the only class left were at National level you can build a bike to run but someone will always moan I think what you have done is a wicked Idea and is definatly a bike I would love to try the thing looks incredibly good sounds good and looks like it handles good when you shot past me in the esses that thing was like no other F3 bike out there bar Glen's SV

Good on you

and hope to see more of these bikes startign from the grid it would be a good replacement for alot of the older 400cc bikes,

Definate SV eater it is

[scracha]

Ozzy. That answers a few questions I had. Was thinking "fark me that's a fast 400 with 600 bodywork".

Don't think I'll bother saving up for an NC29 anymore :-) A Yamaha R4.5 is on my Christmas list.

Umm...could you do the same trick with a 955cc triumph?

[Cleve]

Absolutely fantastic. Something I hoped could be done (and mentioned in the previous forum) but don't have the know how to do my self.
This could just save F3! Well done, bless you and now I am also seriously looking at an R 4.5 Yamaha instead of going the ol' SV route (nothing wrong with them but prefer a modern well handling frame, better looking etc) when I do get back into racing.

[svr]

All you "experts" should spend some time reading something that may teach you something(SAE articles etc) instead of hanging around forums trying to out do each other!

Ozzie - It seems the support is (and generally has been) overwhelmingly in favour of your bike and this concept for F3.
The problem will be the complainers going to the rule makers.
Also, some of us spend our time talking shit here as we do less damage than with tools in our hands...

[Robert Taylor]

New Zealand seems to have a lot of poeple who say you cant do this or that wont work. Just look at a few of the "experts" who posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77299
that said this would not work. Well it works!! It is going to be raced!! The rule book does not need to be rewriten as this is not a "cylinder" in the context of capacity.If anyone wants to fight over it bring it on!! bring your cheque book and your lawyer because you will have a fight on your hands!! Ask about, I know what I am talking about and I am a doer! not a talker or an "expert" who sits on a computer 24/7 telling people "How it is".
All you "experts" should spend some time reading something that may teach you something(SAE articles etc) instead of hanging around forums trying to out do each other!

Well done Chris, you are certainly beating to a different drum. But you are not only beating your drum, you have followed through on what you said you were going to do. Now you just need some 25mm cartridges so the bike can brake later, etc!

[FzerozeroT]

Ozzy27 - Are we going to have a discussion and 'how-to' over how anyone can perform this surgery by themselves or do you wish to keep it as a trade secret?