Cunt Key

[Headbanger]

Its extortion, plain and simple.

Don't like the shit they are pulling?, Good luck fucking with the IRD sucker.

[Max Preload]

The Berlin-based organization Transparency International, Finland, Denmark, and New Zealand are perceived to be the world's least corrupt countries.

That ranking means diddly squat. Perception and reality are often worlds apart, and that's certainly the case here. Singapore being the 4th least corrupt country? Pull the other one!

Despite the bullshit you read here from right wing conservative crackpots New Zealand has topped the rankings for minority investor protection in a World Bank business study.The high protection ranking helped New Zealand maintain its position as the second-easiest place in the world to do business for the third year in a row, behind Singapore.

Who are you attempting to stereotype as 'conservative crackpots' - people with jobs who know they can do more good with their money than any government ever could? Just because we're not all running around barefoot and stuffing our faces with tofu doesn't mean we're 'conservative'. A multi-millionaire who doesn't personally pay a cent in income tax does more good for the economy than all the minmum wagers put together.

...but for ducks sake don't vote right wing: those liars are why your wages are so low today.

My wages aren't low. In fact, they're outrageously high. As are those of my work colleagues. Should a school leaving street sweeper be paid the same or have a similar standard of living to a doctor who has studied for 8 years at his expense?.

People's wages are low because that's all they're worth. If people don't like it, I've heard upskilling works a treat.

[Robert Taylor]

Good grief! You swallowed that trite propaganda?
Both major parties have had Peters in their cabinets and Key would backpedal in a moment if it meant taking power or spending the next three years on the backburner.
The man is a liar and an opportunist.

That said, vote Green or Prpgressive but for ducks sake don't vote right wing: those liars are why your wages are so low today.

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But they are not taking directions from Peking like comrade Clarkenstein nor do they sing ''the peoples flag is brightest red''

Is that the same party that is actually red on the inside? The only mp they had that was worth a pinch of salt ( and I do respectfully give him credit for some but not all of his views ) was Rod Donald... Not only is it possible to be conservative and compassionate but its also possible to be conservative and green. But frankly your viewpoint is so blinkered and often observed to be so self righteous you wont accept that such is possible.

[Robert Taylor]

I thought RT was being insensitive to female canines as well....

I do sincerely apologise for the very insensitive reference to female canines. However bitches that give trouble should be promptly put down.

[Robert Taylor]

You sound a bit miffed Robert, did you hit on her at a pub one night or something and she brushed you off?

I dont hit on trannies...

[MisterD]

Despite the bullshit you read here from right wing conservative crackpots New Zealand has topped the rankings for minority investor protection in a World Bank business study.The high protection ranking helped New Zealand maintain its position as the second-easiest place in the world to do business for the third year in a row, behind Singapore.


And they say Helen Clark is anti business; good grief! shallow propaganda is sooo ridiculous

Yes, it's so attractive to do business here - that's why foreign investment has dried up to a trickle under this corrupt crowd of shysters. Playing political games with Auckland aiport did way more harm to the NZ investment market than John Key owning shares in Tranzrail.

[Dilligaf]

So has anyone figured out the difference between a TRUST and an individual yet???

A trust separates ownership of assets from settlor to trustee. John Key doesn't have to declare anything as if he wasn't trustee he necessarily had no control at all over the transaction of buying and selling shares.



Oh and Skyryder.... care to comment on :
http://www.whaleoilblog.com/?q=conte...e-her-conflict

Remember the $1 billion in funding, in part to subsidise home insulation, negotiated by the Green Party as part of the agreement to vote for the ETS?

Guess who owns shares in the company that makes this product????

The answer is of course Jeanette Fitzsimons, herself no stranger to owning shares in companies that benefit from sudden changes on government policy. She directly benefited by spiking Project Aqua through the Green party lobbying.

Look what Jeanette had to say about Project Aqua;

“The only practical, long-term solutions to solving our energy problems without substantially changing our lifestyle are using energy more wisely, and investing in truly renewable sources of energy, such as wind, solar heating and wood waste. Certainly, the $1.2 billion spent on Aqua could buy a lot of energy efficiency.”

Yeah especially her wind technology company huh! Are all the support parties of the Labour First axis bent?

[Winston001]

So has anyone figured out the difference between a TRUST and an individual yet???

A trust separates ownership of assets from settlor to trustee. John Key doesn't have to declare anything as if he wasn't trustee he necessarily had no control at all over the transaction of buying and selling shares.

Yes you are right but its academic to most people. Besides if he is the settlor and has Power of Appointment, he's got effective control.

What MPs and public figures do in these situations is establish blind trusts. A blind trust is completely separate from the MP and normally run by financial advisors who do their own thing. The MP just gives them a lump of money from time to time and hopes it all works out.

Essentially the Spencer Trust is blind. Peters has no control or knowledge of it - which is the whole point. Unfortunately he seems to know a bit more than he has been letting on....

Excellent point about Janette Fitzsimons - forgotten she holds shares in NZ Windfarms. Mind you, that is completely consistent with her political and ethical beliefs. Even so, she shouldn't particu;larly in light of the Project Aqua comments. Hmmmm....interesting hypocrisy here.

[Skyryder]

That ranking means diddly squat. Perception and reality are often worlds apart, and that's certainly the case here. Singapore being the 4th least corrupt country? Pull the other one!

The point that I have made is that I have found an independent orgainastion whose research disputes the widley held belief that the Government is corrupt as so many state.

Both ACT and the NAT's have been mouthing off on this for so long that now those that oppose Labour believe it.

I believe the actions of Key and his share holdings while he was the Transport spokesman for National demonstrates an act of corruption. The fact that he made no money on this in no way reduces his culperbility: he tried and lied.

Pretty clear to me where the corruption is.


Skyryder

[BIGBOSSMAN]

The point that I have made is that I have found an independent orgainastion whose research disputes the widley held belief that the Government is corrupt as so many state.

Both ACT and the NAT's have been mouthing off on this for so long that now those that oppose Labour believe it.

I believe the actions of Key and his share holdings while he was the Transport spokesman for National demonstrates an act of corruption. The fact that he made no money on this in no way reduces his culperbility: he tried and lied.

Pretty clear to me where the corruption is.


Skyryder

Buddy you are a scratched record, repeating the frantic and pathetic death throes of the end of Clarkenvania.
There is no corruption here, certainly not to the extent shown by Helen and her partner in crime Winnie anyway. And we'll also hopefully see the the back of the smug prick 'Himmler' Cullen next month as well.
Labour's reign of PC social engineering and intervention in the family home is about to end - get used to it!

[Quasievil]

So has anyone figured out the difference between a TRUST and an individual yet???

A trust separates ownership of assets from settlor to trustee. John Key doesn't have to declare anything as if he wasn't trustee he necessarily had no control at all over the transaction of buying and selling shares.



Oh and Skyryder.... care to comment on :
http://www.whaleoilblog.com/?q=conte...e-her-conflict

Thats such Bullshit dude, Elephants dont use trampolines

FFS

[MisterD]

Pretty clear to me where the corruption is.
Skyryder

Attempting to bribe a minor party to support you.
Attempting to heavy the same minor party to vote for Winston's lies.
Knowingly beaking the law and using tax payers money illegally to electioneer.
Changing the law to retrospectively legalise that rort.
Politicising the public service and stacking it with cronies.
Planning to use government departments to electioneer on beahlf of the liarbour party - until Murky Mike was sprung at the conference.
Legislating to restrict opposition campaigning against you.
More "gates" than a high country station

Yeah, it's pretty clear to me too.

We get a good rating because joe-blow public servants don't take bribes - not because the people at the top aren't bent as a three bob note.

[Skyryder]

Buddy you are a scratched record, repeating the frantic and pathetic death throes of the end of Clarkenvania.
There is no corruption here, certainly not to the extent shown by Helen and her partner in crime Winnie anyway. And we'll also hopefully see the the back of the smug prick 'Himmler' Cullen next month as well.
Labour's reign of PC social engineering and intervention in the family home is about to end - get used to it!

Well the Nats are not going to change
Bradford's bill so .............. to use your phase you 'had better get used to it.'


Scratched record or not the message is just as relevent.


I know it's a bummer but Key's shareholding dealings while spokesperson for transport amount to a higher degree of corruption than anything Clarke has done. Key's action was for personal gain.


Skyryder

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Well the Nats are not going to change
Bradford's bill so .............. to use your phase you 'had better get used to it.'


Scratched record or not the message is just as relevent.


I know it's a bummer but Key's shareholding dealings while spokesperson for transport amount to a higher degree of corruption than anything Clarke has done. Key's action was for personal gain.


Skyryder

FYI:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...&postcount=177

[Skyryder]

FYI:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...&postcount=177

'Bout sums it up.


Skyryder