Cunt Key

[RiderInBlack]

I wasn't particularly convinced FPP was bad but I can live with proportional representation. MMP is not the right option but it was chosen because the electorate could grasp the concept.

Single Transferable Vote - STV - http://www.id-performance.com/obj14/obj14_Right.jpg is IMHO the best method. It looks complicated so it probably won't be adopted but gives the fairest result.

Yep STV was the one for me, but the "Sheep" went with MMP because the advertising was better (and the Pollies were behind it).
FPP sucked a big Kumera for any swing voter stuck in a Labour or Nat Strong Hold Electorate (like I was in Whangarei). It basically discounted our vote, leaving us without a voice. SO NO I DO NOT THINK FPP IS DEMOCRATIC OR GIVES PEOPLE A FAIR VOICE.

[idb]

Yep STV was the one for me, but the "Sheep" went with MMP because the advertising was better (and the Pollies were behind it).
FPP sucked a big Kumera for any swing voter stuck in a Labour or Nat Strong Hold Electorate (like I was in Whangarei). It basically discounted our vote, leaving us without a voice. SO NO I DO NOT THINK FPP IS DEMOCRATIC OR GIVES PEOPLE A FAIR VOICE.

Baaaaaaaaaa!!!!

[Winston001]

Our terms of trade have been less than ideal because the people who earn money for this country are few and the people who buy stuff from overseas are many.

Yep absolutely true. Where we differ is that I think Labour have squandered the best economic conditions since the early 1950s to widen our production base. They have been too focused on social engineering.

The high exchange rate and high rate of employment has meant we are a society still on a spending spree.

Mmmm...the exchange rate is way below what it was in the 1970s - and we functioned then. High simply means our $ is valued more than it was in the 1990s.

Our economy boomed under a Labour government. Just as it has under every Labour govt. we have had.

Really? What about Nordmeyer's govt? What about the Kirk/Rowling years? In fact we've had sod all Labour governments since Michael Joseph Savage, generally NZ has chosen centre-right Parliaments.

Our economy has gone downhill under every National govt. we have had.
Well that is according to the Statistics dept......bunch of Leftie Pinko communist civil servant

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Link please?

Look - I mustn't play games. We can't blame any government directly for periods of economic strength and weakness. NZ is totally reliant on trade with the globe and if prices are up - great - and when they are down........or an oil crisis hits, as under Norman Kirk - well, we can't blame the government, even though we want to.

[idb]

.......we can't blame the government, even though we want to.

Who can we blame then...there must be someone responsible...point them out...put them on the front page of the Sunday Star Times?!!!

[scumdog]

Our terms of trade have been less than ideal because the people who earn money for this country are few and the people who buy stuff from overseas are many.
The high exchange rate and high rate of employment has meant we are a society still on a spending spree.
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So... when our dollar is worth jack-shit and our cockies are then making so many Kiwi pesos per US $ how do they win when all the gear they need has to come from overseas..like the US...where the product costs so any more Kiwi peso??

[Winston001]

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll
... the bullshit you read here from right wing conservative crackpots ...

And so many of them.
I have been pondering the reason for the predominance of these people on KB.
I am still at a loss as to why there should be so many. Is it because they are the type of people that are vocal. Like talk-back radio fans.
The vitriol and name calling is really disheartening.
New Zealand is a society worthy of better people than that.
Perhaps we need a FIFO policy of emigration.
Fit in or Fuck off.

LOL guys

I find it quite refreshing because the media seem to be left-biased so its good to see some right-wing views. Not that I agree with everything but you are correct - there do seem to be independant minded people among bikers who do not like being told by the State what to think and what they must not do.

FWIW I can't be bothered with NBR because I find it too unbalanced to the right. Moderation in all things.

[scumdog]

LOL guys

I find it quite refreshing because the media seem to be left-biased so its good to see some right-wing views. Not that I agree with everything but you are correct - there do seem to be independant minded people among bikers who do not like being told by the State what to think and what they must not do.

FWIW I can't be bothered with NBR because I find it too unbalanced to the right. Moderation in all things.

Fark...I work for the state and STILL don't think they are right.

[Hinny]

Mmmm...the exchange rate is way below what it was in the 1970s - and we functioned then. High simply means our $ is valued more than it was in the 1990s.

Fixed exchange rate. Early seventies were very depressed. Record unemployment levels.etc. Tough times.



Really? What about Nordmeyer's govt? What about the Kirk/Rowling years? In fact we've had sod all Labour governments since Michael Joseph Savage, generally NZ has chosen centre-right Parliaments.

Nordmeyer's govt. brought us out of the Great Depression.
The Kirk Rowling years were the best we had until now. When they were booted out of office (thanks Saatchi and Saatchi) we had record overseas reserves, Zero unemployment etc. The country was booming in spite of having to weather Opec tripling the price of oil overnight. National turned that around really fast. Record unemployment and zero overseas reserves by the time they were kicked out. Debt levels that had us selling the family silver to keep our heads above water. Remember the halting of all foreign exchange dealings as the country faced bankruptcy and the opening of the books by the incoming govt. to show just how big a hole Muldoon and co had dug for us.


Look - I mustn't play games. We can't blame any government directly for periods of economic strength and weakness. NZ is totally reliant on trade with the globe and if prices are up - great - and when they are down........or an oil crisis hits, as under Norman Kirk - well, we can't blame the government, even though we want to.

Periods of economic strength have in fact come from govt. actions. Witness Brian Talboys pioneering markets around the world for our agricultural sector. The Russian market became our biggest wool buyer. The Iraqi market became our biggest sheep meat buyer. The declaration of a Nuclear free NZ has paid big dividends for this country. Each of these would not, by their own declaration, have been possible with a National govt.
And two of them are now gone and if the Nats got their way the third would be gone by lunchtime.

Here's a good link.
http://www.thehollowmen.co.nz/film/trailer.shtml

[Hinny]

So... when our dollar is worth jack-shit and our cockies are then making so many Kiwi pesos per US $ how do they win when all the gear they need has to come from overseas..like the US...where the product costs so any more Kiwi peso??

Firstly not all the gear they need has to come from overseas. We have a fantastic agricultural manufacturing sector here.

Secondly there are only 150,000 people involved in agriculture..... and still producing the majority of our export receipts. They would have to spend an awful lot of money to exceed that which the rest of us collectively spend. How many of us earn even a single brass razoo from overseas. We feed off each other.
Therin lies the key to future wealth and glory. Concentrate on those areas of endeavour where we have a world wide comparative advantage. Forget about trying to compete in labour markets with third world countries. Bill Birch's Employment Contract Act... FFS who wants to compete with the $2 a day 50% of the world earns? Buy our stuff on the best markets not just from NZ.
Oh wait, isn't that what the Fourth Labour govt. brought in. The problem was they left out a vital ingredient in the formula for success and that is reducing the population.
Oh wait, isn't that what Winnie wanted?
A population of 1.5 million people is large enough to reap the benefits of economies of scale and small enough to avoid the disadvantages of dis economies of scale. The ratio of producers to consumers increases and the country booms.
Imagine half the cars and trucks on our roads. Half the cops...
NZ would be a bikers paradise.
The fishing would be a hell of a lot better too.

[Swoop]

FPP sucked a big Kumera for any swing voter stuck in a Labour or Nat Strong Hold Electorate (like I was in Whangarei). It basically discounted our vote, leaving us without a voice. SO NO I DO NOT THINK FPP IS DEMOCRATIC OR GIVES PEOPLE A FAIR VOICE

We agree on this point RIB!

[mowgli]

Cunt Key?

Ladies night, free drinks?

[McJim]

This thread fails to deliver. Where is the magic mechanism for opening vaginas?

[Swoop]

This thread fails to deliver. Where is the magic mechanism for opening vaginas?

[Skyryder]

This thread fails to deliver. Where is the magic mechanism for opening vaginas?

There isn't one. The title was a typo. Should have been Cut Key From Parliment but I thought the typo looked better.

True or False ??




Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Oh and Skyryder.... care to comment on :
http://www.whaleoilblog.com/?q=conte...e-her-conflict

I've only just notice your post on this. I have no information on this other than what I have read from the link. I would need further information from a more independent source than from Whaleoil to make an informed opinion on this as whether there is or is not a conflict of interest. However from what little I do know I shall try and comment on.


First of all I am not a supporter of the Greens and my comments should not be interpreted as such.

The main difference that I see is not the possible conflict of interest but one of shall we say philosophical credibility. Key was engaging in a trade when he was aware of the Governments intention of a buyback to which Key was opposed. And this is fundamental point of difference. Fitzsimmons on the other hand held shares in a company that was consistent with her philosophy. Now I agree that there is a difference where one was trading in the knowledge that the shares held was going to be purchased by the Government and share held on the base of a philosophical agreement with the product e.g. wind farm technology. Now comes the tricky part. Has the company benefited and has the share price increased because of Fitzsimmons opposition to Project Aqua? If the answer is yes and I would need to know that benefit was a direct result of the Greens and more important the govt. policy and this would need to be pretty clear, not an opinion, then I would agree that there is a conflict of interest. No doubt. But you would need to show this; not someone’s opinion on this matter such as a blog known for it’s anti Labour stance.

I along with many others have no doubt that there may well have been some ‘dodgy dealings by both sides of House on this sorta thing. This in no way lessons Key’s guilt in this. He’s just got a bigger profile and as a leader should show further intelligence than what we have seen to date.

Skyryder