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[MisterD]

So why is it a complete fucking nonsense? Don't you understand it?

I understand it perfectly well. If you remove any kind of "cost" against a resource, you need some person to decide where to allocate it. Recipe. For. Disaster.

So you've asked them all? You reckon that the majority vote negatively? I don't. The system of voting is going to change what exactly? It's a facade.

Isn't it obvious? How many people might like to vote Social Credit, but are scared of National so vote Labour as the best anti-Nat vote? Look at the other direction, I know plenty of people that didn't vote ACT because a Nat vote was the best guarantee against Labour/Green/Dotcon fuckup.

[mashman]

I understand it perfectly well. If you remove any kind of "cost" against a resource, you need some person to decide where to allocate it. Recipe. For. Disaster.

Isn't it obvious? How many people might like to vote Social Credit, but are scared of National so vote Labour as the best anti-Nat vote? Look at the other direction, I know plenty of people that didn't vote ACT because a Nat vote was the best guarantee against Labour/Green/Dotcon fuckup.

Why is it a recipe for disaster? We currently have a hodge podge of shite and useful stuff floating around. The shite burns resources that we wouldn't otherwise be burning. Yes some entity will decide what constitutes shite, but I'd rather save the resources for other things than allow the resources to go to the highest bidder in order to make shite. Resources are finite after all. It's called, responsibility, and that is the core of an R.B.E. Which would lead me to think that you don't understand what an R.B.E. really is.

I wouldn't say it was obvious at all. I would say that it would depend on how the person felt at the time given the information available to them. I'd agree that the campaigning was negative, but there are very few people I've spoken to that have voted negatively... especially with tax cuts in the offing.

[avgas]

- if you do vote you should NOT be happy with the government if you voted for them, and they do not carry out the policies they said.
- If you do vote you should NOT be happy with the government if you didn't vote for them.

Fool me 51 times?

[MisterD]

but I'd rather save the resources for other things than allow the resources to go to the highest bidder in order to make shite.

There you go.

Someone who believes in free markets (proper ones, not regulation-skewed ones) thinks that resources should go to the highest bidder because that's who values them most, and will therefore make best use of them. You think you know better and should decide where resources should or shouldn't be used, and that is what I think is a recipe for disaster.

[mashman]

Someone who believes in free markets (proper ones, not regulation-skewed ones) thinks that resources should go to the highest bidder because that's who values them most, and will therefore make best use of them. You think you know better and should decide where resources should or shouldn't be used, and that is what I think is a recipe for disaster.

Free-marketeers don't value anything, they simply wish to make more money and will use whatever they like however they like irrespective of the consequences. A case of, the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. It's a bullshit argument to hide selfishness and displays zero responsibility or accountability to the society that they lean on. And you say an R.B.E. would be a disaster .

When the resources are running out, where's the point in having millions of gallons of fuel under yer mansion when you turn up to the hospital and there's no doctors to fix you due to their being a fuel shortage? I guess free-marketeers really don't think things through very well... or think so short-term that a free-market can never become a possibility, well, a free-market using a financial system.

[sidecar bob]

Who really gives a fuck you raving lunatic.
Work hard, pay taxes, drive a flash car & own a nice house with a fantastic wife, have a few bikes you can choose from to ride & a pocket full of money. thats the stuff you can do something about to improve your lot.
Im not sure how becoming angsty about shit you can never change is making your day to day lives any more bearable.
If that makes me a sheeple then great!

[mashman]

Who really gives a fuck you raving lunatic.
Work hard, pay taxes, drive a flash car & own a nice house with a fantastic wife, have a few bikes you can choose from to ride & a pocket full of money. thats the stuff you can do something about to improve your lot.
Im not sure how becoming angsty about shit you can never change is making your day to day lives any more bearable.
If that makes me a sheeple then great!

Work hard - check.
Pay taxes - check.
Drive a flash car - I see no point.
Own a nice house - check.
Have a fantastic wife - check.
Have a bike that I choose to ride - check.
Have a pocket full of money - check.

So by your measure I've improved my lot. There's more to life and it ain't my lot I'm trying to improve as I'd be doing exactly the same as the govt, although I'd have vastly more success than every single political part that has led on these shores.
But I can change those things you claim that I can't. Fuck you oppressor man.
Your choice... but try to stop telling people what they are and aren't able to do... especially when they've already ticked all of your improved lot boxes.

[Oscar]

But I can change those things you claim that I can't. Fuck you oppressor man.
Your choice... but try to stop telling people what they are and aren't able to do... especially when they've already ticked all of your improved lot boxes.

You have changed nothing, you pompous git.
You talk a good game but you've changed nowt, apart from making a twat of yourself on the internet.

[mashman]

You have changed nothing, you pompous git.
You talk a good game but you've changed nowt, apart from making a twat of yourself on the internet.

I fail to see where I said that I had changed anything, fucktard.
Your perception is not my problem.

[MisterD]

And you say an R.B.E. would be a disaster

Jaysus but you're an idiot. Just a collection of bumper stickers and straw-man arguments.

[mashman]

Jaysus but you're an idiot. Just a collection of bumper stickers and straw-man arguments.

Calling me an idiot and then tagging on straw-man, really? Turns out you're just another ignorant hypocritical moron:

Any actual logical arguments against those hypotheses?

Priceless... cheers for that mate.

[Oscar]

I fail to see where I said that I had changed anything, fucktard.
Your perception is not my problem.

You claimed you could:

But I can change those things you claim that I can't. Fuck you oppressor man.

And based on what you say here (without ever actually doing anything), my perception is correct.

[Oscar]

Jaysus but you're an idiot. Just a collection of bumper stickers and straw-man arguments.

A constant stream of propaganda shit looking for a sewer.

[MisterD]

Calling me an idiot and then tagging on straw-man, really? Turns out you're just another ignorant hypocritical moron:

Where are these mansions with "millions of gallons of fuel" that your straw-men live in?

Like I said, "bumper stickers and straw man arguments".

The price of fuel goes up, and new sources of oil become economically viable. Some numpty thinks he knows better and allocates fuel as he sees fit, and nobody's incentivised to go looking for other sources...end result, living in caves knitting our own yoghurt.

You really do make Russell Norman look like a clever bloke.

[mashman]

Where are these mansions with "millions of gallons of fuel" that your straw-men live in?

Like I said, "bumper stickers and straw man arguments".

The price of fuel goes up, and new sources of oil become economically viable. Some numpty thinks he knows better and allocates fuel as he sees fit, and nobody's incentivised to go looking for other sources...end result, living in caves knitting our own yoghurt.

You really do make Russell Norman look like a clever bloke.

Ahhhhh, purposefully looking for a straw-man argument given a hypothetical example... irrespective of the fact that when there is a fuel shortage that very thing WILL happen. Pathetic.

And there it is. Nobody will be incentivised:

An RBE won't work because it complete fucking nonsense. I didn't say anything about people "not liking" it.

. Don't beat yourself up, your argument against an R.B.E. is full of straw-men (hypocrite), so full in fact the big bad wolf wouldn't be able to blow it over. The outcome of your argument was inevitable and it will always boil down to your lack of faith in humanity, or in my case, my absolute faith in humanity. But thanks for the lulz.