Cunt Key

[Gremlin]

Before I say more, I may as well mention I would prefer National over Labour, I'm sick of this anti-business nanny fucken state.

Keys is an ex business man, I know some people in the treasury advisory business, market trading etc. They regularly make trades, various amounts, types etc. Keys said he owned shares, I would say thats enough. Depending on how active he is, how can you possibly remember the exact details of every trade? Additionally, why should he have to declare to all and sundry every trade he does?

Yes, I enjoy capitalism, but hello, someone is going to run this country, and so far, no-one has known what the hell they are doing. If Keys spots an opportunity to make a little, so what, others do.

He used obvious trusts etc... lets compare that to NZ First? Secret trust, no-one really knew what it did, know we know it channeled funds... Geeee.... which would I prefer?

[awayatc]

I hope key makes lots of profit....
means he must have a few clues.....
Good on him.
Also he should just tell the vultures to mind their own business and f*ck off.
Hope he'll be a key figure to put the PC crap to bed.....

[Skyryder]

Apart from the lies and bullshit of how many shares Key or his family trust owned or traded he was an active particapant in a company that he was opposing Labour should puchase. Under the normal rules of buisness conventions if Key had been on a corperate board he would know full well that any discussions by himself would have amounted to a conflict of interest. He has admitted his mistake. This in no way excuses his lies or deciept. The thing that got me is how easily he lied and when found out how easily he 'found' his memory.

Key is not yet the PM and already he is tainted by his own mouth


Skyryder

[Bullitt]

Skyrider is it reasonable to assume you have voted labour in every election youve been able to? That you would never vote national irrespective of who was in charge or what they stood for?

There isnt a politician who I would vote for if I had the choice but given I have to choose someone I have to choose the lesser of the evils available. I dont support Key but thats for entirely different reasons to what you have. This is the most corrupt government we have ever had and this Key issue is just mis-direction.

[JimO]

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key is not yet the pm and already he is tainted by his own mouth


skyryder

fuck next he will be signing stuff he didnt do and speeding about in the ltd......................get a fucken life skyrider

[Katman]

Skyryder, for someone who sounds so fervent about politics, you've forgotten the main factor governing election voting.

It's not about who you can or cannot trust.

It's about who you distrust the least.

[Skyryder]

Skyrider is it reasonable to assume you have voted labour in every election youve been able to? That you would never vote national irrespective of who was in charge or what they stood for?

There isnt a politician who I would vote for if I had the choice but given I have to choose someone I have to choose the lesser of the evils available. I dont support Key but thats for entirely different reasons to what you have. This is the most corrupt government we have ever had and this Key issue is just mis-direction.

The Berlin-based organization Transparency International, Finland, Denmark, and New Zealand are perceived to be the world's least corrupt countries.

Now if you kind find something simular to back your claims......................

Country
rank Country 2007
CPI Score
1. Denmark 9.4
Finland 9.4
New Zealand 9.4
4. Singapore 9.3
Sweden 9.3
6. Iceland 9.2
7. Netherlands 9.0
Switzerland 9.0
9. Canada 8.7
Norway 8.7
11. Australia 8.6
12. Luxembourg 8.4
United Kingdom 8.4
14. Hong Kong 8.3
15. Austria 8.1
16. Germany 7.8
17. Ireland 7.5
Japan 7.5
19. France 7.3
20. USA 7.2
21. Belgium 7.1
22. Chile 7.0
23. Barbados 6.9
24. St. Lucia 6.8
25. Spain 6.7
Uruguay 6.7
27. Slovenia 6.6
28. Estonia 6.5
Portugal 6.5
30. Israel 6.1
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 6.1
32. Qatar 6.0
33. Malta 5.8
34. Macao 5.7
Taiwan 5.7
United Arab Emirates 5.7
37. Dominica 5.6
38. Botswana 5.4
39. Cyprus 5.3
Hungary 5.3
41. Czech Republic 5.2
Italy 5.2
43. Malaysia 5.1
South Africa 5.1
South Korea 5.1
46. Bahrain 5.0
Bhutan 5.0
Costa Rica 5.0
49. Cape Verde 4.9
Slovakia 4.9
51. Latvia 4.8
Lithuania 4.8
53. Jordan 4.7
Mauritius 4.7
Oman 4.7
56. Greece 4.6
57. Namibia 4.5
Samoa 4.5
Seychelles 4.5
60. Kuwait 4.3
61. Cuba 4.2
Poland 4.2
Tunisia 4.2
64. Bulgaria 4.1
Croatia 4.1
Turkey 4.1
67. El Salvador 4.0
68. Colombia 3.8
69. Ghana 3.7
Romania 3.7
71. Senegal 3.6
72. Brazil 3.5
China 3.5
India 3.5
Mexico 3.5
Morocco 3.5
Peru 3.5
Suriname 3.5
79. Georgia 3.4
Grenada 3.4
Saudi Arabia 3.4
Serbia 3.4
Trinidad and Tobago 3.4
84. Bosnia and Herzegovina 3.3
FYR Macedonia 3.3
Gabon 3.3
Jamaica 3.3
Kiribati 3.3
Lesotho 3.3
Maldives 3.3
Montenegro 3.3
Swaziland 3.3
Thailand 3.3
94. Madagascar 3.2
Panama 3.2
Sri Lanka 3.2
Tanzania 3.2
98. Vanuatu 3.1
99. Algeria 3.0
Armenia 3.0
Belize 3.0
Dominican Republic 3.0
Lebanon 3.0
Mongolia 3.0
105. Albania 2.9
Argentina 2.9
Bolivia 2.9
Burkina Faso 2.9
Djibouti 2.9
Egypt 2.9
111. Eritrea 2.8
Guatemala 2.8
Moldova 2.8
Mozambique 2.8
Rwanda 2.8
Solomon Islands 2.8
Uganda 2.8
118. Benin 2.7
Malawi 2.7
Mali 2.7
Sao Tome and Principe 2.7
Ukraine 2.7
123. Comoros 2.6
Guyana 2.6
Mauritania 2.6
Nicaragua 2.6
Niger 2.6
Timor-Leste 2.6
Viet Nam 2.6
Zambia 2.6
131. Burundi 2.5
Honduras 2.5
Iran 2.5
Libya 2.5
Nepal 2.5
Philippines 2.5
Yemen 2.5
138. Cameroon 2.4
Ethiophia 2.4
Pakistan 2.4
Paraguay 2.4
Syria 2.4
143. Gambia 2.3
Indonesia 2.3
Russia 2.3
Togo 2.3
147. Angola 2.2
Guinea-Bissau 2.2
Nigeria 2.2
150. Azerbaijan 2.1
Belarus 2.1
Congo, Republic 2.1
Côte d´Ivoire 2.1
Ecuador 2.1
Kazakhstan 2.1
Kenya 2.1
Kyrgyzstan 2.1
Liberia 2.1
Sierra Leone 2.1
Tajikistan 2.1
Zimbabwe 2.1
162. Bangladesh 2.0
Cambodia 2.0
Central African Republic 2.0
Papua New Guinea 2.0
Turkmenistan 2.0
Venezuela 2.0
168. Congo, Democratic Republic of 1.9
Equatorial Guinea 1.9
Guinea 1.9
Laos 1.9
172. Afghanistan 1.8
Chad 1.8
Sudan 1.8
175. Tonga 1.7
Uzbekistan 1.7
177. Haiti 1.6
178. Iraq 1.5
179. Myanmar 1.4
Somalia 1.4
Source: Transparency International, 2007. Web: www.transparency.org .

[98tls]

The Berlin-based organization Transparency International, Finland, Denmark, and New Zealand are perceived to be the world's least corrupt countries.

Now if you kind find something simular to back your claims......................

Country
rank Country 2007
CPI Score
1. Denmark 9.4
Finland 9.4
New Zealand 9.4
4. Singapore 9.3
Sweden 9.3
6. Iceland 9.2
7. Netherlands 9.0
Switzerland 9.0
9. Canada 8.7
Norway 8.7
11. Australia 8.6
12. Luxembourg 8.4
United Kingdom 8.4
14. Hong Kong 8.3
15. Austria 8.1
16. Germany 7.8
17. Ireland 7.5
Japan 7.5
19. France 7.3
20. USA 7.2
21. Belgium 7.1
22. Chile 7.0
23. Barbados 6.9
24. St. Lucia 6.8
25. Spain 6.7
Uruguay 6.7
27. Slovenia 6.6
28. Estonia 6.5
Portugal 6.5
30. Israel 6.1
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 6.1
32. Qatar 6.0
33. Malta 5.8
34. Macao 5.7
Taiwan 5.7
United Arab Emirates 5.7
37. Dominica 5.6
38. Botswana 5.4
39. Cyprus 5.3
Hungary 5.3
41. Czech Republic 5.2
Italy 5.2
43. Malaysia 5.1
South Africa 5.1
South Korea 5.1
46. Bahrain 5.0
Bhutan 5.0
Costa Rica 5.0
49. Cape Verde 4.9
Slovakia 4.9
51. Latvia 4.8
Lithuania 4.8
53. Jordan 4.7
Mauritius 4.7
Oman 4.7
56. Greece 4.6
57. Namibia 4.5
Samoa 4.5
Seychelles 4.5
60. Kuwait 4.3
61. Cuba 4.2
Poland 4.2
Tunisia 4.2
64. Bulgaria 4.1
Croatia 4.1
Turkey 4.1
67. El Salvador 4.0
68. Colombia 3.8
69. Ghana 3.7
Romania 3.7
71. Senegal 3.6
72. Brazil 3.5
China 3.5
India 3.5
Mexico 3.5
Morocco 3.5
Peru 3.5
Suriname 3.5
79. Georgia 3.4
Grenada 3.4
Saudi Arabia 3.4
Serbia 3.4
Trinidad and Tobago 3.4
84. Bosnia and Herzegovina 3.3
FYR Macedonia 3.3
Gabon 3.3
Jamaica 3.3
Kiribati 3.3
Lesotho 3.3
Maldives 3.3
Montenegro 3.3
Swaziland 3.3
Thailand 3.3
94. Madagascar 3.2
Panama 3.2
Sri Lanka 3.2
Tanzania 3.2
98. Vanuatu 3.1
99. Algeria 3.0
Armenia 3.0
Belize 3.0
Dominican Republic 3.0
Lebanon 3.0
Mongolia 3.0
105. Albania 2.9
Argentina 2.9
Bolivia 2.9
Burkina Faso 2.9
Djibouti 2.9
Egypt 2.9
111. Eritrea 2.8
Guatemala 2.8
Moldova 2.8
Mozambique 2.8
Rwanda 2.8
Solomon Islands 2.8
Uganda 2.8
118. Benin 2.7
Malawi 2.7
Mali 2.7
Sao Tome and Principe 2.7
Ukraine 2.7
123. Comoros 2.6
Guyana 2.6
Mauritania 2.6
Nicaragua 2.6
Niger 2.6
Timor-Leste 2.6
Viet Nam 2.6
Zambia 2.6
131. Burundi 2.5
Honduras 2.5
Iran 2.5
Libya 2.5
Nepal 2.5
Philippines 2.5
Yemen 2.5
138. Cameroon 2.4
Ethiophia 2.4
Pakistan 2.4
Paraguay 2.4
Syria 2.4
143. Gambia 2.3
Indonesia 2.3
Russia 2.3
Togo 2.3
147. Angola 2.2
Guinea-Bissau 2.2
Nigeria 2.2
150. Azerbaijan 2.1
Belarus 2.1
Congo, Republic 2.1
Côte d´Ivoire 2.1
Ecuador 2.1
Kazakhstan 2.1
Kenya 2.1
Kyrgyzstan 2.1
Liberia 2.1
Sierra Leone 2.1
Tajikistan 2.1
Zimbabwe 2.1
162. Bangladesh 2.0
Cambodia 2.0
Central African Republic 2.0
Papua New Guinea 2.0
Turkmenistan 2.0
Venezuela 2.0
168. Congo, Democratic Republic of 1.9
Equatorial Guinea 1.9
Guinea 1.9
Laos 1.9
172. Afghanistan 1.8
Chad 1.8
Sudan 1.8
175. Tonga 1.7
Uzbekistan 1.7
177. Haiti 1.6
178. Iraq 1.5
179. Myanmar 1.4
Somalia 1.4
Source: Transparency International, 2007. Web: www.transparency.org .

Then again mate as history shows Berlin based organisations have been known to have issues.

[idleidolidyll]

of course it's unethical: he was using his privileges as a politician for pecuniary gain: that's the essence of why insider trading is illegal.

capitalism is melting down at the moment and it's pretty much all the fault of people like Key.

those fat cats gamble with other people's money but when it all turns to shit they want a government to bail them out.

at other times they are whining that there's too much regulation in business!

newstime! the reason there is regulation in business is to stop rampant capitalism like that in the US from raping mum and dad savings accounts.

capitalism is about the rich having control and freedom to do what they want; that will always end in abuse.

without socialism (democratic state regulation of businesses so they are less able to rip off the public), we would all face this shit all the time.

the kicker is that these asswipes pay themselves a fortune to mismanage other people's money!

[T.W.R]

of course it's unethical: he was using his privileges as a politician for pecuniary gain: that's the essence of why insider trading is illegal.

capitalism is melting down at the moment and it's pretty much all the fault of people like Key.

those fat cats gamble with other people's money but when it all turns to shit they want a government to bail them out.

at other times they are whining that there's too much regulation in business!

newstime! the reason there is regulation in business is to stop rampant capitalism like that in the US from raping mum and dad savings accounts.

capitalism is about the rich having control and freedom to do what they want; that will always end in abuse.

without socialism (democratic state regulation of businesses so they are less able to rip off the public), we would all face this shit all the time.

the kicker is that these asswipes pay themselves a fortune to mismanage other people's money!

oooh the Key holes wont want to hear that

[idleidolidyll]

Skyryder, for someone who sounds so fervent about politics, you've forgotten the main factor governing election voting.

It's not about who you can or cannot trust.

It's about who you distrust the least.

OK, lets rate the parties on trust then based on history (what they have said they'd do compared to what they did do)

Most trusted at the top and least at the bottom.

1. Greens
2. Progressive
3. Labour
4. NZ First
5. National
6. ACT based on the liars who left Labour after imposing right wing policies on a left wing ticket

I was listening to the radio a few days back and a bloke has just completed the first thesis on just this theme.
The worst government ever re keeping election promises was a National Govt with just 50%. The current Labour Govt is about 80%.

I reckon Key as a person rates as a liar of the second order ('cause he's only a 2nd rate politician anyway)

[Skyryder]

of course it's unethical: he was using his privileges as a politician for pecuniary gain: that's the essence of why insider trading is illegal.

capitalism is melting down at the moment and it's pretty much all the fault of people like Key.

those fat cats gamble with other people's money but when it all turns to shit they want a government to bail them out.

at other times they are whining that there's too much regulation in business!

newstime! the reason there is regulation in business is to stop rampant capitalism like that in the US from raping mum and dad savings accounts.

capitalism is about the rich having control and freedom to do what they want; that will always end in abuse.

without socialism (democratic state regulation of businesses so they are less able to rip off the public), we would all face this shit all the time.

the kicker is that these asswipes pay themselves a fortune to mismanage other people's money!

Now here's a man who knows what he's on about.




Skyrder

[SPman]

This is the most corrupt government we have ever had and this Key issue is just mis-direction.

Corrupt?
Not really - it's just full of it's own self importance most of the time. The Winston saga is going to be Helens downfall this time! She's really kicked the stool out from under the gibbet on this one!
Most people bandying the word corrupt in reference to the current Labour government, don't really seem to have much knowledge of previous governments, let alone the real naked corruptness of countless others, around the world.

[Skyryder]

OK, lets rate the parties on trust then based on history (what they have said they'd do compared to what they did do)

Most trusted at the top and least at the bottom.

1. Greens
2. Progressive
3. Labour
4. NZ First
5. National
6. ACT based on the liars who left Labour after imposing right wing policies on a left wing ticket

I was listening to the radio a few days back and a bloke has just completed the first thesis on just this theme.
The worst government ever re keeping election promises was a National Govt with just 50%. The current Labour Govt is about 80%.

I reckon Key as a person rates as a liar of the second order ('cause he's only a 2nd rate politician anyway)

I'd agree with the proviso that the Progressives be at the top. They were the only party who did not break any election laws. I applaud your leaving out Dunne and United Future. Their lack of trust does not even equate with them being on the list.

Skyryder

[ManDownUnder]

Now here's a man who knows what he's on about.
Skyrder

LOL Credit where it's due - III's a bright boy, and good at stirring the pot... maybe that was his intention?

Bloody Key had the temerity to front up and be asked the straight questions... and admit he'd been caught on the hop, no time to prepare answers and do his research... and say "I don't know" - which would have obviously been an admission of some sort... or taken as him avoiding something.

And as for Helen and Winston fronting up too... interesting wasn't it? Polly's only do something when they're safe, and the have something to gain. The have numbers in the house... at the moment.

They weren't going to win the public debate - so they avoided it.

To me that latter two issues speak louder than anything else.

Oh -and III - good stuff man... keep it up.