Cunt Key

[retro asian]

It was said that he lost $68K selling those shares at a loss.
That's not profiteering...

I reckon he could be telling the truth and just made a blunder.
The media in general is usually so misinformed they lie 3 times as much as politicians do!!!

[idleidolidyll]

I'd agree with the proviso that the Progressives be at the top. They were the only party who did not break any election laws. I applaud your leaving out Dunne and United Future. Their lack of trust does not even equate with them being on the list.

Skyryder

Dunne is a waka hopper like Winston (in terms of who they will support). He doesn't care which party he supports as long as he gets to play the game.

[Skyryder]

Corrupt?
Not really - it's just full of it's own self importance most of the time. The Winston saga is going to be Helens downfall this time! She's really kicked the stool out from under the gibbet on this one!
Most people bandying the word corrupt in reference to the current Labour government, don't really seem to have much knowledge of previous governments, let alone the real naked corruptness of countless others, around the world.

I tend to agree. Most do not seem to recognise the difference between a corrupt govt and an MP who practices corruption in his own electorate. The general allegation of Labour corruption tends to lend itself to Clark's signature on a painting that was auctioned for charity, the motorcade event in which some might remember I was hostile to, in event of the drivers eventually getting off. Some trot out the electoral fiasco of Labour but fail to mention that all other parties with the exception of the Progressives were equally 'corrupt.'


Skyryder

[idleidolidyll]

It was said that he lost $68K selling those shares at a loss.
That's not profiteering...

I reckon he could be telling the truth and just made a blunder.
The media in general is usually so misinformed they lie 3 times as much as politicians do!!!

actually that just shows that hes a gambler and not always a winner.
he abused his position while lying about his shareholdings.
even then he fucked up and you want him as your leader?

gasp!

as for the media, it's funny how so often they are supported when bashing labour but whined at when bashing national.................it cuts both ways but on the whole we are just another country with a media dominated by capitalism.

we have a little more journalistic freedom than some but an open press is just a fiction: the media is driven by self interest here as in most western nations

[Winston001]

Sigh.........

Is there an HONEST political party in the country - one that says exactly what it means, has the interests of the country AND ALL OF ITS CITIZENS at the forefront of it's agendas and policies and doesn't bow down before the god of failed Keynsian economics, dictatorial "we know whats good for you" ideologies, or "lock em up and throw away the keys" social policy?.....

No.

Didn't think so..........politicians.......they're all a pack of self serving arseholes, who'll say and do anything to get their hands on the controls of power!

I think I'll vote for Dr Pita Sharples again!

I'm sure many Kiwis feel the same which is a shame. In reality all of our political parties are honest and well meaning - even Labour. The reason you (and I) are so disillusioned is because of all the small-minded sniping which takes place every time some MPs get near a microphone. Jim Anderton is a classic - everything is the fault of someone else.

We need to get beyond that and our representatives are the Fourth estate = the media. If our journalists refused to be drawn into the mud slinging - (such as Keys ownership of shares in 2003 for Pete's sake!!! ) and asked questions about the balance of trade, emigration to Australia etc, we might, just might, start to talk about some important stuff.

[Skyryder]

It was said that he lost $68K selling those shares at a loss.
That's not profiteering...

I reckon he could be telling the truth and just made a blunder.
The media in general is usually so misinformed they lie 3 times as much as politicians do!!!

No he deliberatly lied and only altered his story after the journo informed him that he had bought 50000. A mistake is unintential but Key new was on the hop and had no choice to change his story before he was further in the mire.


Skyryder

[bomma]

key is a better man than helen

but helen's got bigger ballz

[trustme]

Skyryder. go see your doctor , get back on those meds real quick.

This is a storm in a tea cup, the real issue is the total lack of integrity displayed by Winnie/ Labour. Who tipped Winnie off to go to Glenn .
Henry knows, Winnie knows, Mike Williams knows, they are not telling so what have they got to hide . my bet is Auntie Helen , she covers for Winnie to cover herself.

[SPman]

The rumours are, that Helen has got some REAL dirt on Key and the Nats, which she'll release nearer the election........
It'll need to be pretty good to take peoples minds off how she's expediently handled (for her) Winnies despicabilities.......

[hospitalfood]

damn, thought somebody was going to learn me how to unlock all pussy
duped again!

[Bullitt]

Skyrider the list you posted I suspect relates to the entire country not the Government itself. I have no doubt you can set up a new company without having to pay a bribe or similar injustices however thats a separate issue to whether politicians act with a level of integrity expected of people holding office (which is obviously far lower than that of normal people)

Shall we go through some of the injustices Klarke has personally been responsible for such as:
Openly flaunting laws that she expects everyone else to stick to (noone has ever been in a car doing 180ks and not realised it, of course they didnt slow down because she told them to go that fast).
Forgery (Signing your name on someone elses work is pretty serious)
Openly endorsing the activities of Peters despite him clearly breaking a number of serious laws (including bribery) when he's been proven wrong by everyone.
Accusing various bodies of various unjustified activities such as the SFO, Priviliges Committe, their largest donor etc

While I admit Ive only been following politics for about 15 years so dont know much first hand about Muldoon but Ive covered alot of it at uni as well as many very experienced politicial comentators supporting the claim that this is the most corrupt government NZ has ever had

[Skyryder]

Skyryder. go see your doctor , get back on those meds real quick.

This is a storm in a tea cup, the real issue is the total lack of integrity displayed by Winnie/ Labour. Who tipped Winnie off to go to Glenn .
Henry knows, Winnie knows, Mike Williams knows, they are not telling so what have they got to hide . my bet is Auntie Helen , she covers for Winnie to cover herself.

No it's not. It's about Key claiming the moral high ground on ethics and trust then slipping on his own shit.


Skyyrder

[Robert Taylor]

Sorry about the thread name but I can think of no other word that 'so' describes this man.


John Key has got to be the ‘most’ hypocritical cunt in Parliment. He stands up in Parliament and pontificates on Clarke’s dishonesty in respect to the Owens/Peters loan and yet his lack of integrity is demonstrated by his purchase of 50,000 shares of Tranz Rail in Keys own name, and get this, while at the same time criticizing the Labour Government for wanting to buy back the Rail. Keys lame excuse on TV news that no one 'asked' and he lost money in no way excuses the fact that Keys purchase of the shares was too profit. Too profit while at the same time oppose Labour's buy back of the rail has got to be one of the most cynical and unethical actions I have ever witnessed in all my time of political activity. I’ve seen some shockers but this without exception beats all.



Skyryder.

Well, you better get used to him as he will be calling the shots after November 8th. No amount of socialist ''counter offensives'' are going to save the most hypocritical and corrupt, self serving government in our history.
Lucky for the socialists in this country that it is not a General Pinochet type character taking over. That dear old man engaged in a wee bit of ( shall we say ) ''cleansing''

[Skyryder]

Skyrider the list you posted I suspect relates to the entire country not the Government itself.

You 'suspect' wrongly.

Transparency International publishes its index on its public officials and politicians. That's the the Government not the countries buisness.


Skyryder

[Swoop]

Walking up to any person and asking them "off the top of your head, how many xyz shares did/do you own" would be next to impossible.
How many tell-lie-con shares did he own?
How many Vector shares, etc, etc.


However it is a nice (but blatantly obvious) attempt at a distraction from the main event of Winne-in-the-pooh.