Cunt Key

[merv]

Ok, put it this way. To elect Key is a price well worth paying just to get rid of that ugly conniving bitch.

You sound a bit miffed Robert, did you hit on her at a pub one night or something and she brushed you off?

[trustme]

50,000 100,000 or 1,000,000, who cares , he's a rich prick in labours eyes & deserves to be dragged back down to their level by what ever means , fair or foul
This whole beat up tells me far more about the mentality of the extreme left than it does anything about Key

[trustme]

I have been a supervisor, manager & employer of staff for the thick end of thirty years, experince has taught me something.
We all make mistakes, & I have made a fair few. Its how people handle their mistakes that causes the problem. If you admit you stuffed up, chances are you wont do it again & I always give those people the benefit of the doubt.
People who stuff up then lie, dodge evade & refuse to take any responsibility are not to be trusted , invariably they let you down at the worst possible moment.
Key stuffed up but has admitted it when confronted , lesson learned , move on.
Winnie's response has been deny, deny, deny, attack has been the best form of defense when the defense has more holes in it than a sieve.
Labour has aided & abetted him for their own gain.
I have lost all respect for this labour govt over the last three years . The election over spending affair was a disgrace & they saved their bacon by changing the law to legalise what they had done, neither they nor Winnie has ever fronted up & said we were wrong we apologise, instead they introduced the electoral finance act to stack the odds in their favour, a move I hope they will come to regret.

The only parties to come out of it clean are Greens, Maori, Dunne, even Anderton abstained rather than sully himself by supporting labour in an affair that does nothing for the reputation of parliament

I have voted labour , I had respect for Clark as a person of integrity although I didn't like her politics, I now have nothing but contempt for her & her administration

[roogazza]

So. its agreed then, Key will win and we'll be rid of Clarke and the
garden gnome ? (can't wait ). Gaz.

[trustme]

Far from agreed . Key & his team are naive & far too accident prone ,& they are up against the most dominant politician we have seen since Piggie, both of whom I dislike intensely. Clark is a scrapper in the vein of Mike Tyson, each in their prime fearless , tough & ruthless competitors. Tyson became a joke & I suspect Clark will ultimately be considered one of our most able prime ministers but ultimately a failure, in times of world wide economic growth, we have continued to slide down the OECD list
when elected her aim was to raise us up the list , by her own benchmark she is a failure

[Toaster]

If you have any sort of ethics and integrity you do not profit from that which you oppose. Pretty simple realy. I think even a baboon could understand that.


Skyryder

Mate - these are politicians we are talking about here. All of them very self-serving on both sides.

The media is just as bad too - also self-serving and one-sided to suit their "scoops" and to hell with the truth.

Personally I am sick of the lot of them. We fund these arsewipes with taxpayer dollars to hire spin doctors and researchers to dig into each others past so they can sling mud at eachother in election year. Waste of our hard earned money.

[vifferman]

Quite right, Mr Toaster. Sad but true...
What to do?
There are some decent politicians (yeah, I know that in general honesty/integrity and politician and mutually exclusive terms), but generally they lose sight of the fact that they were elected and didn't just get there by dint of their own huge brains and good looks, and that they are civil servants. So... you have a good'un in your electorate, and vote for them, regardless of which crappy party they belong to, then what? What do you do with your party vote? And does it matter? Once they're in, they're basically a will unto themselves.
I don't really give a crap who is in Gummit, but I would like to see the country turned around: get rid of the thousands of consultants and bureaucrats that have crept in while Labour's been in power, lower the tax rate to stimulate the economy, stop pegging the official cash rate against real estate values and let it float a bit more, get rid of the ridiculous tax punishments for using fossil fuels, stop sucking up to Greenpeace lesbians and weirdos, and do something to encourage people to get off benefits.
Oh - and stop regarding infractions of the speed limit as a crime. Given that almost everyone ignores the speed limits, how about relaxing them a little? If someone's speeding in an inappropriate place and/or driving like a plonker, then give them a sound thrashing (financially or otherwise), but if they're driving at 115 on the Canterbury Plains in light traffic, so fucking what? Aren't the road rules supposed to be about safety?

The media is just as bad too - also self-serving and one-sided to suit their "scoops" and to hell with the truth.

The Guy From Canadia at work has it sussed: the media is controlled by people who want you to look for them to find out what's going on in the world, so they can suck you into believing/trusting them for your world view. So, they undermine trust in the government and spread bullshit about the state of the world in order to achieve that.

[enigma51]

So. its agreed then, Key will win and we'll be rid of Clarke and the
garden gnome ? (can't wait ). Gaz.

the only guarantee we have is that there are some really ignorant people out there and they tend to follow who ever offer them the most easy cash available. Labour will bring out some new financial "benefit". Just look at the free schooling thing ..... great success for them!

[Hitcher]

Whatever they say or claim, no politician is to be trusted. They just want you to get them re-elected. Other than that, they care not a jot for you and yours.

[Skyryder]

I've been pondering my opinion on this and that is all it stems down to. I don't see the significance of the numbers in question, 50000/100000 are all pretty much the same in the big picture. He didn't ever say he didn't own shares in tranzrail, he bought them before he got involved in the takeover bid discussions (however small and insignificant they were) and then he sold them after he worked out that he was probably in a "grey" area as far as conflicts of interests go. To add to that he made a $110k loss. He could have tried to keep them quiet and wait for another year to avoid that loss but he took it on the chin cause he knew it was the right thing to do.

This whole saga is indeed a storm in a teacup. It is tvnz pushing its own agenda to keep its bosses happy and hoping the reds keep in office so they can keep on their merry way as they are at the moment.

No the numbers are important. He knowingly lied on this and believed that he would no be found out. This as I said is not a mistake. Mistakes are wrong decisions made in the best of interest. We all make mistakes none of us are perfect in that reguard but our mistakes are made in the best of interest and it is only in hindsight that we aknowledge them. Key was adamant 50000 max. No doubt on this number at all.
Then when he realised that the reporter knew this was not true he changed his story.....100,000 YEP......instantly so as to reduce damge. This is not an honest admission of a mistake but that of a slick operator fast on his feet. Now I personly have some admiration for people who can do this but that is tempered with some ethics and honesty. Key has failed in this and suggests a man less open to the truth than those he accuses.


That he lost on the deal is not the issue. He has been leading us to believe that he only held 30,000 and then blamed those who acepted this as the truth for not asking.

In short he blamed those that accepted his honesty for not asking 'exactly' how many shares he had.

That to me is the issue and all others in this thread are non events.


Skyryder

[Flatcap]

Whatever they say or claim, no politician is to be trusted. They just want you to get them re-elected. Other than that, they care not a jot for you and yours.

Nonsense - they care about Middle New Zealand...


...which as I understand is the bit between the nipples and the navel

[enigma51]

Nonsense - they care about Middle New Zealand...


...which as I understand is the bit between the nipples and the navel

Its called a waist and you know why its called that?


drum roll

Cause you can fit at least 3 vagina's in there.





Im here all weeks folks tell your friends

[Swoop]

50,000 100,000 or 1,000,000, who cares , he's a rich prick in labours eyes & deserves to be dragged back down to their level by what ever means , fair or foul
This whole beat up tells me far more about the mentality of the extreme left than it does anything about Key

One of the best posts in this thread. Bling to you.

Just look at the free schooling thing ..... great success for them!

Do not forget the "Education until the age of 18"...
We have to supply work to the labour-voting "teachers".

[slofox]

"There are good times just around the corner...." there's a song with this line in it....

My political memory goes back over fifty years. The one thing I have learned in that length of time is that no political party in New Zealand (or anywhere else for that matter) has ever had "all the answers"......with the best of intentions, each and every party has done whatever they thought was right at the time, but none of them have ever provided the universal panacea - and nor will they. A lot of what happens in NZ these days comes from offshore - oil prices, bank credit squeezes, commodity prices - you name it. Our government of whatever persuasion, is at best reactive, very rarely indeed, proactive. We are at the arse end of the globe, miles from anywhere and tiny to boot. The big boys don't give a hoot. We do the best we can in the circumstances we find ourselves in. Don't expect changing the colour of our government to solve all our problems - it don't work like that any more if it ever did.......changes are cosmetic, not fundamental.......bloody little ray of sunshine I am and all.....

[MisterD]

No the numbers are important. He knowingly lied on this and believed that he would no be found out. This as I said is not a mistake. Mistakes are wrong decisions made in the best of interest. We all make mistakes none of us are perfect in that reguard but our mistakes are made in the best of interest and it is only in hindsight that we aknowledge them. Key was adamant 50000 max. No doubt on this number at all.
Then when he realised that the reporter knew this was not true he changed his story.....100,000 YEP......instantly so as to reduce damge. This is not an honest admission of a mistake but that of a slick operator fast on his feet. Now I personly have some admiration for people who can do this but that is tempered with some ethics and honesty. Key has failed in this and suggests a man less open to the truth than those he accuses.


That he lost on the deal is not the issue. He has been leading us to believe that he only held 30,000 and then blamed those who acepted this as the truth for not asking.

In short he blamed those that accepted his honesty for not asking 'exactly' how many shares he had.

That to me is the issue and all others in this thread are non events.

Oh FFS Skyryder, the companies register is publicly available information - anyone can find out who hold what shares is what companies. How exactly was JK's holding "hidden"?

The scale of the shareholding is totally irrelevant to conflict of interest allegations. When Clark and Cullen first tried this smear in the house he was able to confidently rebut them because he was absolutely certain of the date when he instructed his broker to sell all his NZ share holdings.

What question was he being asked by Fran (honorary Liarbour member) Mold? How many other shares were bought / sold, in which case the answer is parcels of 50,000 or what was the largest shareholding he had -answer 100,000.

It's still a stupid beat-up, but I think every sensible person realises that and the contrast between JK's approach of admitting he could have done better and the Clark/Cullen "it's someone else's fault, I'm perfect, me" stance couldn't be starker.

Interesting that there are rumblings of discontent in the Liarbour caucus with how the senior faces have handled this, the post election blood-letting will be fun for young and old.