Farkin pissed off, got done for speeding down a road I didn't even go down 2nite.

[scumdog]

Still I think I would be inclined to turn up in court in tee shirt and shorts, without lawyers etc, and tell the judge its all a bad mistake. A large and complex defense just gets them thinking the wrong way. Keep it simple I reckon, and just tell them "no, you got it wrong - ordinary kiwi bloke going for a ride gets unjustly accosted by police etc, kthx, byee." If they won't hear that, then just shrug and walk out - not your problem.

Steve

"The mand who defendeth himself hath only a fool for a client"

[Tank]

You never have to "just pay the fine" when you are right. Tell them "NO". If you end up in front of the judge, then indignantly tell him you are innocent, and will emphatically NOT be paying any fine.

Stand up for yourself when you know you are right.

Steve

Just telling them you wont pay it and that you are innocent dosnt work.

If you get found guilty and dont pay - there are consequences - its not optional and at the end of the day 'the man' will win.

Personally I'm all for harsh penalty payments for people that dont pay within 30 days.

I think the idea of people not been stopped from flying because of unpaid tickets is fantastic - Id love to be there to see the smug face on some of the boi racers when the find out they cannot leave on their holiday with mummy and daddy because of all the fines they have run up.

[pritch]

Personally I'm all for harsh penalty payments for people that dont pay within 30 days.

Nice in theory... The losers(?) owe millions now not having payed their fines, and likely won't ever. So WTF would be the point of penalty interest?

There's a saying that the only people who are policed are those who permit themselves to be policed. So those of us who earn money, by whatever means, as opposed to just "receiving" money, have something to lose and tend to pay the fines.

Those who do nothing to actually earn money and have nothing, mostly seem not to pay, and get away with it.

Occasionally one slips up and comes to notice and a judge sentences the asshole to community work. Then it works out that this turkey's time is valued at something approaching $500 an hour.

Justice? Maybe... You might well ask who are the real losers, them or us?

[scumdog]

Nice in theory... The losers(?) owe millions now not having payed their fines, and likely won't ever. So WTF would be the point of penalty interest?

There's a saying that the only people who are policed are those who permit themselves to be policed. So those of us who earn money, by whatever means, as opposed to just "receiving" money, have something to lose and tend to pay the fines.

Those who do nothing to actually earn money and have nothing, mostly seem not to pay, and get away with it.

Occasionally one slips up and comes to notice and a judge sentences the asshole to community work. Then it works out that this turkey's time is valued at something approaching $500 an hour.


Justice? Maybe... You might well ask who are the real losers, them or us?

Of course ya have to remember most of those none payers are also non-winners.

Go nowhere.
Do nothing
Have nothing

Groundhog day everyday for their whole lives.....

[quickbuck]

Now it's time to DREDGE!

So SOSMAN, what happened????

Heck, I only found this as I was being nosey as to why DB got heaps of red rep for a post......

[Tank]

Now it's time to DREDGE!

So SOSMAN, what happened????

Heck, I only found this as I was being nosey as to why DB got heaps of red rep for a post......

He followed DB's advise and is now currently serving 7-9 at her majestys pleasure.

[McDuck]

He followed DB's advise and is now currently serving 7-9 at her majestys pleasure.

Thats got the potential to go international...

[st00ji]

what happened there anyway, have been watching the news eagerly waiting for the expose on KBs unfriendly police members...

[Ronin]

what happened there anyway, have been watching the news eagerly waiting for the expose on KBs unfriendly police members...

I'm not sure if scumdogs member is friendly or otherwise.

[Ronin]

Thats got the potential to go international...

It's the joke that just keeps on giving....

[meowmix]

The court date was 24/08/09; interested to hear the result, and method used.

[The Pastor]

I rekon the verdict : GUILTY

[red mermaid]

Is this another one of those threads on KB where someone is all mouth and trousers before the court date, but goes very quiet afterwards and doesn't have the balls to front up and state truthfully what went down in court and what the Judge said.

[Fluffy Cat]

Nice in theory... The losers(?) owe millions now not having payed their fines, and likely won't ever. So WTF would be the point of penalty interest?

There's a saying that the only people who are policed are those who permit themselves to be policed. So those of us who earn money, by whatever means, as opposed to just "receiving" money, have something to lose and tend to pay the fines.

Those who do nothing to actually earn money and have nothing, mostly seem not to pay, and get away with it.

Occasionally one slips up and comes to notice and a judge sentences the asshole to community work. Then it works out that this turkey's time is valued at something approaching $500 an hour.

Justice? Maybe... You might well ask who are the real losers, them or us?

Wow...
Someone making sense, policing by consent what a thought....

[paddy]

What a dork....I just read the date on the original post and realised how much of a thread dredge this was. I'll leave my response below as it took me ages to write. :-)

Any help or advice would be really good right now!

First of all, take a deep breath. Now, I am no lawyer so please take everything I say as an invitation to due your own due diligence.

Now, you have detailed two separate offences in your original post - firstly your speed and riding style from the shell, and secondly, your speed on Oaktree Avenue. You need to differentiate those and decide which actions you wish to take for each on a separate basis.

You didn't mention if you just had a speeding ticket, or if you were invited to court for dangerous driving. If it's the later, you need to get a lawyer and follow their advice - not the advice you might receive here. If it's the former, you have the option of just waiting 28 days and paying the fine, or inviting the Police to court.

In court, in terms of the Oaktree Avenue allegations, it sounds like it will be your word against the Police's. That is likely to be problematic to you as your character will be easy to impeach. After all - you were caught shortly afterwards speeding away from the Shell garage.

In the later scenario you need to identify your motivation for going to court. Sticking it to the officer concerned is a really bad motivation and will end up hurting you more in the long run. Any court process you instigate will take considerably longer than 28 days.

You fail to mention if the cops need both allegations together in order to suspend you license or if you were travelling sufficiently fast away from the Shell garage. This may be an important consideration in how you proceed.

My advice: if you are "invited" to court - you will need a lawyer. If you were just given tickets/license suspensions then take it on the chin, be patient and pay up. You did indicate that you were travelling in excess of the speed limit. In terms of the Oaktree allegation, you could try writing to the Police Infringements Bureau as this may be dropped - otherwise I would just pay that too.

Let me be absolutely categorical though, PLEASE ignore the advice that suggests that you go and talk to the Police. You are obliged to provide them with identifying details - nothing more. You will only end up implicating yourself further. Anything you say to them WILL be used in court against you. Anything that you say that is exculpatory (i.e. proves your innocence or contradicts the Police case) is not admissible as it would be considered heresay (although the rules of evidence are somewhat relaxed in traffic court and the in-admissibility is somewhat dependent on the objection of opposing counsel - but lets presume they are competent). There is NOTHING that you will gain by talking to the Police. If you end up in court - let your lawyer ask them the appropriate questions.

P.