Vindictive National Party Law and Order Policy

[Mully]

The bastards!! Expecting the poor criminals to do their whole sentence.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4717645a28435.html

Where do they get off? Helen won't stand for it (like she stands to pee).

Outrageous!!!

[Tank]

The bastards!! Expecting the poor criminals to do their whole sentence.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4717645a28435.html

Where do they get off? Helen won't stand for it (like she stands to pee).

Outrageous!!!

Indeed.

I feel VERY strongly about this

Unfortuantley a old childhood friend of mine raped and killed his 7yo neighbour when we were younger.

He got out of jail / Hospital a few years later having been released on the gounds of 'mental instability' (or whatever the correct term is).

A few years later he 'snapped' again and killed a 81 YO lady.

I've always thought if he did'nt get released that poor old lady would not have been murdered.

I dont believe that anyone who kills deserves a second chance.

[Hitcher]

I dont believe that anyone who kills deserves a second chance.

Good grief. There is a huge difference between psychotic nut cases and people who kill in the heat of the moment -- crimes of passion, if you will. That's why we have a justice system, to assess each case on its merits, or lack of merits. "One-size-fits-all" sentencing is a red-neck, knee-jerk, intellectual cop-out, just the same as calls for reinstating the death penalty. In my opinion.

I'm sorry. I forgot it's election year, and fell for the obvious troll.

[Lias]

Good grief. There is a huge difference between psychotic nut cases and people who kill in the heat of the moment -- crimes of passion, if you will. That's why we have a justice system, to assess each case on its merits, or lack of merits. "One-size-fits-all" sentencing is a red-neck, knee-jerk, intellectual cop-out, just the same as calls for reinstating the death penalty. In my opinion.

I'm sorry. I forgot it's election year, and fell for the obvious troll.

We all know the BDOTGNZA want the death penalty reinstated for crimes against the english language.

[Hitcher]

We all know the BDOTGNZA want the death penalty reinstated for crimes against the english language.

If the Brave Defenders thought for one moment that that would help, the Apostrophe Lynch-Mob Posse would be on the road full time.

[Finn]

Remember the referendum on tougher sentences for violent offending during the last election (or the one before)? 92% of voters ticked "yes", put the fuckers away and keep them away until their sentence is served. Clark ignored this saying that Liarbours policy was for violent offenders to spend half an hour in front of a hippie and release them back to the wild as soon as possible.

Clark's policies are DIRECTLY responsible for many of New Zealand's murders. She should be put away for life but not in a woman's prison cause she would enjoy that.

[firefighter]

"One-size-fits-all" sentencing is a red-neck, knee-jerk, intellectual cop-out, just the same as calls for reinstating the death penalty.

I think personally that the death penalty is appropriate when there is absolute certainty and proof that the accused is guilty of murder, there is no remorse and it was a premeditated crime (not a crime of passion)

And surely you must agree that a crimminal serving their full sentence is at the very least only just? Or why not just give shorter sentences? Letting prisoners out early is only going to piss off the victims and their families and the only reason this happens is because the prisons are too full and they want to reward the prisoner for good behaviour, so as to hopefully send them home on a good note........what reward does the victim and their family get? They get to be traumitised at the fact that the killer of their mum/child/father etc has been released early from a sentence which was too short in the first place......

[avgas]

We all know the BDOTGNZA want the death penalty reinstated for crimes against the english language.

if only we spoke it here. would make sense of the 10 years of schooling our kids get.
we speak kiwi - plain and simple, fighting against that is like pissing in the ocean.

[enigma51]

they should just put a fence around south auckland ...... problem solved!

[Mully]

Good grief. There is a huge difference between psychotic nut cases and people who kill in the heat of the moment -- crimes of passion, if you will.

I think National are promoting a "Two strikes and you're out" policy.

I'd be interested if there were any statistics showing how many crimes of passion were repeat offenders.

FWIW, I don't support the death penalty. It's too easy for it to be abused for one thing. I do, however, support cold-blooded killers/repeat rapists/child abusers, etc. being locked away for good.

Fuck them. Fuck their families. And fuck their cute little kittens with a big black dog.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I can think of a couple of cases where if I was on the jury I would be say no not him.... they have the wrong person... and even with all the evidence saying they didn't do it... they are still in jail...

But for repeat offenders of violent crimes I agree... if prooven

[PrincessBandit]

I don't remotely see how "vindictive" can be used for what is being discussed. Helen might think differently if these people all had to come live in a big halfway house right next door to her.
I have doubts about capital punishment although it's very easy to be emotively swayed towards supporting it should it ever seriously come up for consideration. If prison terms were hard labour and without any of the creature comforts that many prisoners seem to have in prison (which they don't have on the outside) maybe it would be more of a deterrent. If prison was really such a dire place to be then wouldn't we have less people in there and no need to build more and more of them? Oh excuse me while I return to my delusions........

[Hitcher]

And surely you must agree that a crimminal serving their full sentence is at the very least only just? Or why not just give shorter sentences?

Yes and no. I believe that a role of our prison system is to rehabilitate people to live a crime-free life on their release. This includes a parole system that is properly resourced to to do what parole services are supposed to do. Our prison incarceration rates rank up there with the USA. If building more prisons is the "answer" to crime, then we're not asking the right questions, and we're (taxpayers) not providing the right resources to crime prevention in its broadest sense.

That said, there are people who are non-parole-able for a bunch of reasons. And anybody who abuses their parole should be returned to secure custody to serve at least the balance of their sentence.

I don't think that sound policy development should ever be driven by sloganeering: "Life means life", "Two strikes and you're out", "Bring back the death penalty"; even thought there may be merit in some of those options.

[Swoop]

After nine years of "education", how dare we even think about punishing the criminals?

I wonder what the green party policy on crime is? "Here, have a hug and a flower!"?

[Tank]

Good grief. There is a huge difference between psychotic nut cases and people who kill in the heat of the moment -- crimes of passion, if you will. That's why we have a justice system, to assess each case on its merits, or lack of merits. "One-size-fits-all" sentencing is a red-neck, knee-jerk, intellectual cop-out, just the same as calls for reinstating the death penalty. In my opinion.

I'm sorry. I forgot it's election year, and fell for the obvious troll.

OK - fair call on the heat of the moment and "one size fits all" comment - and yeah - I agree with that - even tho my post says the opposite. Thats what I get for writing and not thinking.

The 'story' I told was sadly true - I've also had a friend murdered by someone with a violent past.

So its far from being a "obvious" troll.

I'm one removed in that they were friends who have been involved (from both sides of murder) - and I know how much its impacted my life and they way I feel about certain things - It must be far, far, far harder on their family's causing a pain that I could never wish on even my worst enemies.

Unfortunately when exposed to something so horrific, it is harder to remain objective and you do end up with more polar views on the subject - I realize that, and I also know that polar views do not lead to suitable nor fair solutions.

So sorry that my post came across 'stronger' that it was supposed to (indeed I know that what I wrote is not exactly how I feel) - but it comes from a deep emotional view point - and was not written as a light hearted troll for political amusement.