Incompetence by NZ police re: death of officer.

[skidMark]

Okay so you have probably all heard/ read the news, an undercover police officer shot and killed, they were putting a tracking device on a car outside a suspected P lab.

R.I.P

Now.

Onto serious business, because this should not have happened, this is not an attention troll, i just think this in unacceptable...

Full story here

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...531786&ref=rss

But here are some bits i took from it...(word for word)

"Clearly it's an absolute tragedy for us to lose an officer and have another seriously threatened," said Superintendent Ted Cox, head of the Auckland metropolitan crime and operations support unit.
"If we knew there were weapons in the house, we would have approached it entirely differently."

So... they were putting a tracking device on a car, outside a suspected P (methamphetamine/crystal meth) Lab, in South Auckland... Yet they didn't think shit, they might have guns?

With probably half a mil of P in the lab (if it was a lab) of course they are going to have bloodey guns!!!

With this being said that they didn't know thier were guns (in not so many words)...

This is also in the artical...

The men were unarmed and didn't have bullet-proof vests. The man who survived - whose name has been suppressed by a judge - was wearing stab-resistant body armour.
However, armed back-up was just one block away.

So... Hang on...

They did not suspect weapons? Yet had armed backup just one block away?

If they wernt expecting guns and they would have handled it entirely differently if they had known weapons were involved then why have the armed back-up a block away?

Just incase?

Well that plan obviously didn't work did it, and now an officer has lost his life, for what, incompetency of others he worked with perhaps?

You can't say "if we knew there were weapons we would have handled this entirely differently"

then say "armed back-up was just a block away"

they obviously knew thier was risk becuase they had backup in the next block, i just think this doesn't add up, and somebody has been killed for what, not taking the proper precautions?

I'm lost for words beyond this point.

Lets keep this civil.

Skid.

[MIXONE]

How's about we wait for the entire story to come out before passing judgement.

[skidMark]

How's about we wait for the entire story to come out before passing judgement.

Well it is the main media report, and the excerpts are those that are direct quotes from a senior member of the NZ police, how much more entire story do you need?

[Badjelly]

You're absolutely right, skiddy. What a pity you weren't running the operation.

[Oakie]

How's about we wait for the entire story to come out before passing judgement.

+1
Poor cops. They shoot someone and they're murderous bastards ... they get shot and they're incompetant. Can't win huh!

[Crasherfromwayback]

The officer. What a thankless job. And to lose your life doing it is tragic.

BUT, I am surprised they weren't armed. These guys (the 'cooks' etc) play for keeps. Huge money involved, and if they're off their tits on their goods, highly unpredictable to boot.

[slimjim]

"p".fuck you can text for it.. yup ..you'll find it in any middleschools.high schools.private schools,and yup school kids have alot of dosh, so it follows were the money is, on street corners,in the lounge room of any pub, any club, any almost kiwi home, however its been told nearly 10yrs back by Hawaii officals that it was running a muck over there and was now been tracked in new zealand,
aren't a gangers drug anymore ,its midddle class lower class and high class enjoyment kick.. fuck even Minne Holmes was selling it..note how many blackpower..mongel mob..highway 61, fiflthy few, hells angles are getting busted.. None.. cause its every day kiwis that are making it and selling it and using it...gone way pass the "gang" drug.. And the Goverment is well aware as are the police.. however its a drug thats taken hold so now its gota be hit harder than undercover . Swat members crashing in film it and keep filming them hitting "p" houses and then see whats the norm

O wait Stranger Things to come

[Quasievil]

"p".fuck you can text for it.. yup ..you'll find it in any middleschools.high schools.private schools,and yup school kids have alot of dosh, so it follows were the money is, on street corners,in the lounge room of any pub, any club, any almost kiwi home, however its been told nearly 10yrs back by Hawaii officals that it was running a muck over there and was now been tracked in new zealand,
aren't a gangers drug anymore ,its midddle class lower class and high class enjoyment kick.. fuck even Minne Holmes was selling it..note how many blackpower..mongel mob..highway 61, fiflthy few, hells angles are getting busted.. None.. cause its every day kiwis that are making it and selling it and using it...gone way pass the "gang" drug.. And the Goverment is well aware as are the police.. however its a drug thats taken hold so now its gota be hit harder than undercover . Swat members crashing in film it and keep filming them hitting "p" houses and then see whats the norm

O wait Stranger Things to come

Thats bang on and makes it especially fucking scary for those of us with Kids, Im shitting myself about it.

[Tank]

First Skidmark - this is a really emotive topic - I dont know what the hell they fed you down the S/I, you raised it in about as nice way possible for REASONABLE discussion. (what happened to the Skiddy of old?).

Like every normal person - Im sick to my very core that a officer was killed.

Im sure that all the information will come out in time - and until then we cannot assume too much, but I must say that I was suprised that the officers were not armed. But we have to remember that is our civilian view of the matter.

The officers involved are professionals and they deal with this scum day in, day out. Even tho' the decisions made may look stupid and obvious to us, the police (having the benefit of far more exprience and inforamtion) are making the decision based on a far more informed level.

They take this kind of work seriously - there is NO WAY that they would not have sat down, planned, done a risk assessment and come to the decisions that they did. Unfortuantley they were in this instance wrong.

RIP to the officer, his family, friends and co-workers.

[fire eyes]

A "p" thread would be really interesting to have actually .. Iv said my peace about the police stuff and definite consideration needed for the family of the officer ... I dont actually not know anyone personally who does 'p' .. I could be blinded by that fact though .. just because I don't think they are doesnt mean its not happening eh .. regardless of that fact ... yes .. its our kids at risk.

[slimjim]

Want a Shock. the Teenagers There Don't pipe it in private, Nope they are able to light up on the tables for lunch.. and this is well knowen BY teachers,Parents,Police... NOpe Sorry very well to do School too... But its A everyday Thing...And This is from .. second eldest..now working..next youngest is 16yrs and her an her friends talk openly with Me about the going on's.. Fuck i really thought i was bad while been a "member" many yr ago.. however i'll not ever want to be her age now.. an all i can offer them.... Nope cann't tell them what not to do... Thats their understanding of their choice.. and they know of "their choices.. but sit and listen.. and solution's .. cause i don't have any..

[Quasievil]

and solution's .. cause i don't have any..

I do mate, if convicted selling or making P, 20 years in Prison, end of story.
If we are serious about it why fuck around.

[slimjim]

I do mate, if convicted selling or making P, 20 years in Prison, end of story.
If we are serious about it why fuck around.

humm yes and truely....How Many 13yr's would you like to see coming out at 33yr with twenty's yrs of.. inside training..FUCK NOT ME..and truely..its not a colour issues..its a easy at making it..getting it..

fourty eight bucks it cost roughly..... takes 7hours and its boiled and ready for sale.. "p" ..done..
out of that the return is nearly..$440.00 cost of a life.. huumm

sorry but prison... only supplies extra people on the outside to make more of it..

[AllanB]

As per usual the media is on a witch hunt. The only people to blame are the sickos who came out and shot the cops.

Its a worry that you could possibly be in the position where you see a tidy vehicle parked on the side of the road and bend down to check out the wheels. Then get shot as its owned by some arse in the house who is running a P lab and thinks you are a threat.


Better watch out where you are Skid - the might be a few "crops" out there this summer.

[Quasievil]

humm yes and truely....How Many 13yr's would you like to see coming out at 33yr with twenty's yrs of..

Not Many because once you lock up a few then they would get the idea, and if that dont work make it 40 years, if that dont work start hanging them, they would soon get the idea, whats the alternative, continue down the PC low impact solutions that arent working today?
Harsh penalties is whats needed, example, whats the Drug problem like in Singapore these days???