Stop parking like retards

[PirateJafa]

Wall of poorly-built text.

Well I could always park my car in the middle of Queen St. I mean, hell there's a couple of lanes? Even the most anal retentive could work their way around it, surely?

Go back to sleep Dushy, KB has enough piss-poor trolls already.

[Phurrball]

The salient point is that a small abrogation of somone's 'right' to breach an extant rule is a legitimate response that aids the greater University motorcycling community.

This happens all the time for the greater good of society or smaller sub-groups or organisations in a wide range of legal and quasi-legal areas.

(see section 5 of the NZ Bill of Rights act - rights can be abrogated if demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society)

Try breaching a contractual term or legal rule in such a way that OTHERS pay the price for your stupidity and see how far it gets you in life. Not far.

Suggesting that someone's freedom of expression extends to breaching a legitimate rule is specious at best.

Trot along and rebel by wearing that open-face now...

[ital916]

Well I could always park my car in the middle of Queen St. I mean, hell there's a couple of lanes? Even the most anal retentive could work their way around it, surely?

Go back to sleep Dushy, KB has enough piss-poor trolls already.

I wasn't trolling, that was my opinion.

[ital916]

Trot along and rebel by wearing that open-face now...

you guys shouldn't ride motorcycles..they are dangerous you know.

[enigma51]

Push the bike over i guarantee you will find out who it is and he will not do it again

[skidMark]

5 of you moving a bike....and i still bet nobody approached questioning if you were stealing it!

[Phurrball]

you guys shouldn't ride motorcycles..they are dangerous you know.

Hook, line and sinker.

If I'm serious, my prose packs enough of a punch without emoticons.

I was drawing a rather supercilious parallel between two perceived acts of 'freedom of choice'.

We all analyse and manage risks in our daily lives subjectively - some based on objective criteria to which they apportion weight.

BUT To take a risk when there is a known and relatively certain negative outcome is just stupid - like speeding past a speed camera.

That is what is at play in the situation that begat the OP.

[I'm talking about the parking here - just before anyone gets excited. People are free to extrapolate all they like though, teh interweb is really good for that...]

On that note to make Dushy feel better.

[ital916]

On that note to make Dushy feel better.

I was never angry in the first place...I've given up getting annoyed with kb, accept it for what it is, shits and giggles.

[R6_kid:Me]

I know how it grates on you guys, and I know what he did was incorrect, but the point I'm making is even though he wasin the wrong, we cannot do stuff like that. Unisafe will have to see that bikers don't act as a mob and there can be the odd bad parking apple, just like with cars.

Too right.

Did you think for a second that maybe he wasn't a member of the AUSMC? If a car was parked incorrectly would you pop the lock on the door, release the hand brake and re-park the car?

You have no right to be moving other peoples vehicles (bikes or otherwise), leave a note and let them know what the deal is - im sure they'll understand.

I know how I would have felt and reacted if someone had picked up my old R6 and moved it without my knowledge, and it wouldn't have ended nicely had I found the perpetrators.

[bomma]

Too right.

Did you think for a second that maybe he wasn't a member of the AUSMC? If a car was parked incorrectly would you pop the lock on the door, release the hand brake and re-park the car?

You have no right to be moving other peoples vehicles (bikes or otherwise), leave a note and let them know what the deal is - im sure they'll understand.

I know how I would have felt and reacted if someone had picked up my old R6 and moved it without my knowledge, and it wouldn't have ended nicely had I found the perpetrators.

punishment for a car parked wrong comes by way of tickets issued by the governing authority......punishment for continued misuse and ignorance of the warnings issued by the governing authority in bike parking might mean that we lose ALL parking down there......not a price im willing to pay so that some prick can park like an idiot.....plus he had been warned prior.....also breaking into a car is illegal, moving a bike a few metres in this circumstance (to my knowledge) is not.....

think about it this way, if uncle helen issued a sanction that made wheelie-ing illegal and said that if it continued to be ignored, that bikes would not be allowed on the roads of this country......would you keep wheelie-ing knowing that you might be the reason that ALL bikes were kept off the road??

[Squiggles]

I know how it grates on you guys, and I know what he did was incorrect, but the point I'm making is even though he wasin the wrong, we cannot do stuff like that. Unisafe will have to see that bikers don't act as a mob and there can be the odd bad parking apple, just like with cars.

Maybe it is time we did a protest on symonds street, blocked it off with lots of bikes and scooters. Get uni safes attention instead of hiding away in spot allocated to us that are too cramped and too small.

I'll bite,

That last idea has only slightly more merit than angle grinding cheesecutters. It'll be a major fail and people will be talking to police.
They're providing, they dont have to, politely we consult with them, bit by bit we get more and more. Note the large area by compsci is now marked out in fresh paint? They recognise us only as the motorcycle club, if you want them to recognise us as individuals, we'll go back to how it was at the beginning of the year, where they attempted to kick us out. Its easier to do that than deal with individuals.

Nobody would care if we went onto symonds street and blocked traffic, the university supports pedestrian malls

Reality is that we have a goodwill relationship with unisafe, lets try and do all we can to protect that.
I dont support relocation, and it can be noted that the relocation was all of 5metres, but the alternative is we let this go to shit, or i tell them that if they dont like how anybody down there parks, they call a towing company and haul off the bikes.

[motorbyclist]

5 of you moving a bike....and i still bet nobody approached questioning if you were stealing it!

bling awarded for a very good point

Did you think for a second that maybe he wasn't a member of the AUSMC?

didn't care either way- SMC or not makes no difference to unisafe

If a car was parked incorrectly would you pop the lock on the door, release the hand brake and re-park the car?

no, but they wouldn't compromise my future safe and (relatively) secure parking at uni either - AND they already call towies for that. so far unisafe has only made threats for the bikes and i intend to keep it that way. once they start towing they'll bee all to happy to continue towing

You have no right to be moving other peoples vehicles (bikes or otherwise), leave a note and let them know what the deal is - im sure they'll understand.

for about the 5th time in this thread - we had told him, in person, about the agreement with unisafe. we also told him that his bike has a steering lock that he might like to utilise.

he has since chosen to ignore that we may ALL lose the privilege of safe/(relatively) secure parking due to his being a retard, but HAS begun using the steering lock

and of course, to move the bike i had five willing volunteers, and first contacted squiggles (club president) to tell what was going on and to have him send the call out

so we had almost half of the patrons of that carpark jointly agree we weren't going to have our parking lost due to one individual's actions

and as a final note on the topic - we HAVE lost parking in that area before (along the back of the gym), and been forbidden from using walkways, all because riders have been less that considerate for the pedestrian traffic in the area

I know how I would have felt and reacted if someone had picked up my old R6 and moved it without my knowledge, and it wouldn't have ended nicely had I found the perpetrators.

well he knows who we are, i know he knows who we are, and i've publicly announced that i'm responsible for it.

[sunhuntin]

stick to your guns mate. the uni wont differentiate between bikes belonging to the club and bikes not belonging to the club. the down side of bikes getting towed is the high chance that any towie wont be driving a flat bed, which means chains and hooks being used, resulting in damage to any bikes removed.

would unisafe approch the rider themselves? they may well have more clout.

[Ragingrob]

Unisafe will do all of this if parking continues like that :

1) Put orange stickers saying "please park in the bicycle racks"

then

2) Ok then fuck off no more underground bike parks.

God they even warn bikes which are parked in appropriate places talked through with the boss. They ain't smart and don't care.

I mean WTF, that guy wasn't even to one side of the path.

IDEA : Next time he does it, put one of our 110db disc lock alarms on it. Then he's stuck till our lectures are finished and we can actually tell him slightly more aggressively to park properly or it'll be towed.

We can always talk to unisafe and I'm sure they'll be all to happy to tow it for us

[Real_Wolf]

Lol, I was thinking of suggesting that Rob.

I happen to have JUST the right disklock too, with 3 keys, that is not in use. Could give one to like Squig, and dunno who else (I'd keep one, I like my disklock), and then if he does it again he has to wait or he can't move his bike without having no forks