Vindictive National Party Law and Order Policy

[scumdog]

. "One-size-fits-all" sentencing is a red-neck, knee-jerk, intellectual cop-out, just the same as calls for reinstating the death penalty. In my opinion..

Sorry Hitch, Bell, Burton and his ilk have no place on this planet (except as fertiliser) and there IS a place for the death penalty imho, I'd even pay for the bullet.

The crimes of passion as you put it are another issue, prison for them.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

The crimes of passion as you put it are another issue, prison for them.

and they server their time with no parole... crimes of passion I really don't believe is an excuse to get a lesser punishment... (but that's just me... and I as it is)

I would be interested to see some stats about crimes of passion did they have a voilent past... in any form from anger management to what ever else... how many have recommitted. Basically saying are really were they already an unexploded time bomb waiting to happen...

I like Singapores theory... The don't officially have the death penalty but Life is life till the day you die... so however since you are going to die in prison, we will save the tax payer $1000's per year and you will be hung tomorrow...

Anyway there is no one single answer and every one entitled to there opinion and theories...

And before you go on you have never been in the situation to comitte a crime of passion... one day I will tell you about a certain drunk drinker, that I wanted to kill...

[Wingnut]

NZ should approach Thailand with a proposal to tender out our corrections duties to them and serious offenders should serve time over there.

There they could actually be subjected to a less than ideal experience opposed to the happy camps they get sent to here. In New Zealand there is no such thing as doing hard time. This has to change - there must be an actual penalty to doing crime - serious criminal forfeit their rights when the committ serious acts upon others.

There - I have has my say. Now off I roll.

Later
W-Nut

[Pedrostt500]

Yes it costs alot of money to keep a crim in jail, but the question is how many times in the last 10 yrs has the porole board released a crim early only for that crim to go out and Rape or Murder again or both with in less than a few months of their release, also how many times in the same period has the courts faild to place some one on remand, and that same person just to go out and Rape and or Murder again.
What is the cost to the victims families in each of these cases, where the justice system has yet again faild to corectly identify that a crim is still a Threat to the public at large.
what is the costs to the Victims Families long after the media has lost interest in the cases, and the story no longer makes front page News.
There is a percentage of our prison population that should never be free, they are the ones who will never be rehabilitated back into the comunity, for a crim to be rehabilitated, they first must want to be rehabilitated, if they choose not to be then there is nothing you can do for them.
I dont think there are many People that wake up one morning and think I'm going to go out today and Rape and Murder, who have never been invoved in lesser crimes previously.
The first thing we need to do is take small crimes seriously, Ie Tagging, Burgulary,& Shop Lifting etc, crack down on the small crimes hard and you will eventualy see a drop in the major crimes.
but some thing needs to be done with those who are in our criminal system now, particurly those who do not wish to be rehabilitated, back into the comunity.
I don't belive in the death penalty, but maybe permanent electronic tracking should be imposed on those who are the greater risk to our Wives, Mothers, Sister, Daughters, Sons, Brothers, & Fathers.

[SlashWylde]

There is a percentage of our prison population that should never be free, they are the ones who will never be rehabilitated back into the comunity, for a crim to be rehabilitated, they first must want to be rehabilitated, if they choose not to be then there is nothing you can do for them.
I dont think there are many People that wake up one morning and think I'm going to go out today and Rape and Murder, who have never been invoved in lesser crimes previously.
The first thing we need to do is take small crimes seriously, Ie Tagging, Burgulary,& Shop Lifting etc, crack down on the small crimes hard and you will eventualy see a drop in the major crimes.
but some thing needs to be done with those who are in our criminal system now, particurly those who do not wish to be rehabilitated, back into the comunity.

I think you are right about that.

[doc]

Was told today that Goff used stats in something on TV on sunday. Something along the lines of ....the only people who complain about Justice n Policing are those who are the least affected, ie the elderly, statistically less involved , and the affluent. Those closest to what is reported in the media don't seem to have the complaints about it. Statiscally speaking of course.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

ie the elderly, statistically less involved , and the affluent.

is that cause statistically speaking they are the targets of the crims...

Humans just love to put numbers to everything and try statistally show stuff...

[Headbanger]

I think the point was they aren't the victims of crime.

Most shitbags pray on their own communities, and their communities wallow in shit or are ignored, Leaving the old and the rich to point out this shit aint on.

[Pedrostt500]

I believe it has been proven that you can crunch statistics to mean what ever you want them to mean, I believe that those who hide behind statistics, do not wish to face the realities of life, it is far easier for them to hide behind numbers, particurly if the numbers make them look good.
What we seem to be lacking through most of the western world is people taking responsibility for their actions, pick up most news papers and read through the letters to the editor and you will find at least one or two letters blaming the government, council, school, health board or some other organisation, for the bad state of what ever, rather than standing up and saying I'm giong to do, and be responsible for what I do.
New Zealand suffers from Apathy, and Tall Poppy syndrome, we as a nation wish some one else will sort out our problems at no exspense to our selves, then when some one does step up to the plate and try to make a go of it, we try to chop them down so we can feel good about our crappy little small minded lives, by gloating about some one elses failures, and belittling them for even trying to give it a go.

[doc]

[QUOTE=Hitcher;1758608]Yes and no. I believe that a role of our prison system is to rehabilitate people to live a crime-free life on their release. /QUOTE]

Personally, I think that this sort of naive BS is the problem, which goes back to the days of "Transportation" Jails were originally only for holding offenders before they were executed.

How the fark do you rehabilitate a person in an environment of their peers, who have no ambition. What the social engineering dreamers wish for, we could never afford.

Why put the fuckers in jail so we have to pay for their upkeep, why not just have a system where they have to turn up daily, and work or produce something that contributes to the community they live in. They then go home and are supported by their family or whatever.

They fark it up, it gets tougher, keep on farking up the difficulty increases, sort of system.

[Pedrostt500]

I think the point was they aren't the victims of crime.

Most shitbags pray on their own communities, and their communities wallow in shit or are ignored, Leaving the old and the rich to point out this shit aint on.

There is only one community it is Our community, it is made up of people of different races, and different beliefs, I may not know you but you are part of my community, I am also part of yours, even though you may live at the other end of the Country from me.

[Mully]

There is only one community it is Our community, it is made up of people of different races, and different beliefs, I may not know you but you are part of my community, I am also part of yours, even though you may live at the other end of the Country from me.

Thats beautiful mate. Do you wanna hug?

No, no. Im fine. I just have something in my eye.

[Pedrostt500]

Thats beautiful mate. Do you wanna hug?

No, no. Im fine. I just have something in my eye.

nah just give us a kiss

[Mully]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pedrostt500 again.

[Headbanger]

There is only one community it is Our community, it is made up of people of different races, and different beliefs, I may not know you but you are part of my community, I am also part of yours, even though you may live at the other end of the Country from me.

Right, make it local community and then carry on as you were, and I assure you that you are not part of my local community. If you want to test this then let us both walk to our local community hall and see if we both arrive at the same one.