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[roogazza]

Well, all the guys you mentioned took their abilities off shore and honed their skills racing overseas. [/I]

Gav , sure they honed their skills overseas , but guys like Crosby and Hiscocks etc, were fast before they went. We knew they were pretty good and world class the way they operated here !

I was pretty tight with both Hissys' in those years and could relate some funny quotes and tales. ( but I don't do long posts ! ) Gaz.

[Shaun]

How about Dom Jones?
I already commented on this too,
Well, all the guys you mentioned took their abilities off shore and honed their skills racing overseas. Good to see the likes of Sam Smith doing a few races in Aus but really some of the younger guys need to quit NZ and head for Aus or even better Spain or the UK. I blame Andrew Stroud, while the old bugger keeps winning here in NZ it makes it a bit tougher for a young Kiwi to take a NZ champ title with them in their CV's.

Dom Jones has NOT raced for nealy 12 or more months DUE to things happening in the USA, and even Hayden Fitgerald got his arse handed to him in the UK last year, so please come up with a way to help bring the culture out Gav

[jrandom]

... it would be naive to think that everyone wants institutionalised mediocrity.

'Institutionalised mediocrity'?

What rubbish.

Robert, I kinda get the feeling that you don't empathise with the idea that we just want to have fun racing motorcycles, and that halving the cost could well double participation in the sport.

Motorcycle racing doesn't have to be anywhere near as expensive as it is right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

[Sketchy_Racer]

New class.

Bog stock 600s. (running in with supersport)

One set of tyres per meeting.

So meeting cost would be set of second hand tyres ($150 +/-) and entry fee ($100 +/-) and fuel ($50 +/-)

Fun for dollars = HUGE

[jrandom]

New class.

Bog stock 600s. (running in with supersport) ...

Fun for dollars = HUGE

Now that's what I'm talking about!

[sidecar bob]

we just want to have fun racing motorcycles, and that halving the cost could well double participation in the sport.

Motorcycle racing doesn't have to be anywhere near as expensive as it is right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

Check out dodgy old Scrivy, owns lap records on an old heap of shit that nobody else in the country could even run as a mid fielder & hes having a ball!

[svr]

New class.

Bog stock 600s. (running in with supersport)

One set of tyres per meeting.

So meeting cost would be set of second hand tyres ($150 +/-) and entry fee ($100 +/-) and fuel ($50 +/-)

Fun for dollars = HUGE

That's the formula, I think. Wouldn't be slow, either.

Hordes of ex mxer kids and a few old hands handlebar to handlebar, the best rider winning, and the rest learning and thinking hard about their riding. That would produce / attract some talent. MotorSPORT

Institutionalised mediocrity? No, thats Motor$port.
If rugby boots cost $30k at what level would rugby be played? - a mediocre level.

[jrandom]

If rugby boots cost $30k at what level would rugby be played? - a mediocre level.

Fuckin' amen to that.

[wharfy]

Single class racing is a common way of identifying/developing talent in many sports.
New Zealand has been racing P-Class sailing dingy's for years.
They are REALLY slow and HARD to sail and the rules are pretty tight.
The names of the winners on the Tanner cup and Tauranga cup read like a who's who of America's Cup and Olympic yachting. They are one of the reasons NZ is a FORCE in international yachting. I have done a wee bit of sailing but I sure wouldn't want to race one of those. If I wanted to race sailboats I would probably go for a laser or cat now.

The point of this post IS ?

Sailing in NZ has single class racing at almost every level from P-Class to Sunbursts to hi-tech catamarans and keel boats. The world match racing series is a single design and moderately priced (for a yacht).

So I think a moderately priced (for a motorcycle) single class (i.e. single make and model) would be of great benefit to NZ motorcycle racing. I doesn't matter whether they have stock suspension or after market as long as they are all the same. But if the stock suspension is "adequate" and can be sprung to match the riders weight then save the money.


The "formula" classes should be retained.

[CM2005]

i want a class in which old superbikes are competitve.. i.e if i bought a '98 SRAD 750, i would only have the superbike class to run it in.

as for a new proddie class, if $5000 got me a standard GSXRCBRZXRRR for the season,. hell yeah I'm gonna ride it.

[gav]

i want a class in which old superbikes are competitve.. i.e if i bought a '98 SRAD 750, i would only have the superbike class to run it in.

as for a new proddie class, if $5000 got me a standard GSXRCBRZXRRR for the season,. hell yeah I'm gonna ride it.

But why expect to be able to buy a 98 GSXR and race it competitively? You could run it in Clubmens or else look at the various classes and choose a bike that is more suitable. You could always buy a Pre 89 GSXR and run in that class, or maybe a modified GSXR600 in F3? An RS125 maybe for the 125 class?
As a racer I'd rather not have an extra class added to an already busy schedule, by all means if it can slot into an existing class then thats fine.
Not too sure about the elitist claim either. At the last round at Ruapuna we had racing the current 125 champ, the 600 champ and the NZ Superbike champ, not a bad turn out!

[Robert Taylor]

That's the formula, I think. Wouldn't be slow, either.

Hordes of ex mxer kids and a few old hands handlebar to handlebar, the best rider winning, and the rest learning and thinking hard about their riding. That would produce / attract some talent. MotorSPORT

Institutionalised mediocrity? No, thats Motor$port.
If rugby boots cost $30k at what level would rugby be played? - a mediocre level.

You have series such as VMCC etc, why pick on the Nationals?

[gav]

Bog Stock 600's aye? Bit like those bog stock 250 proddy bikes I guess ....

[Robert Taylor]

'Institutionalised mediocrity'?

What rubbish.

Robert, I kinda get the feeling that you don't empathise with the idea that we just want to have fun racing motorcycles, and that halving the cost could well double participation in the sport.

Motorcycle racing doesn't have to be anywhere near as expensive as it is right now. That's the whole point of this thread.

Check out my most recent posts in a parrallell thread subject. There exists a case for both lower cost and more expensive class formula. Yes of course people want to have fun racing motorcycles, and yet more fun. Funny how people keep asking me for set up help?
And the point is missed that there are many in all forms of motorsport who want to be the best and to understand the engineering, you dont want to cater for them?

[Robert Taylor]

That's the formula, I think. Wouldn't be slow, either.

Hordes of ex mxer kids and a few old hands handlebar to handlebar, the best rider winning, and the rest learning and thinking hard about their riding. That would produce / attract some talent. MotorSPORT

Institutionalised mediocrity? No, thats Motor$port.
If rugby boots cost $30k at what level would rugby be played? - a mediocre level.

Heck, better ban modified and aftermarket suspension in MX right now! Dont want those crossover charlies from MX demanding better suspension when they hit the tarmac..........