True Production Racing series

[Robert Taylor]

I think you're missing the main point of 'Production Racing' or 'One Make Racing'. That being the ability of ANY rider to ride what they HAVE at their disposal better than the next person. Sure bigger riders suffer a power to weight disadvantage...but smaller riders struggle to change direction as quickly as a bigger built rider. All swings and roundabouts.

And the bit about "It certainly will emphasise the limitations of production going road bikes"?????

So fucking what? It's not about how good the bikes are as race bikes. It's about how good someone can ride the thing.

I raced 883 Harleys for a couple of years. And as a race bike...they made great boat anchors. BUT...the racing was fantastic fun and hard work. The cream still rose to the top...Brett Richmond...Bruce Anstey...Simon Turner and the late Robert Holden. It matters not what you're racing. You could have 30 Honda RS250's and it'd be the same. Fun and frantic.



Set the bike up as well as you can within the limitations it has. Then ride around whatever limitations you can't remove through setup.



Fucking oath it is.

James Toseland came from GB500 racing did he not? Could you imagine a worse 'race bike'? (Ok...apart from an 883)See point 1!!!

I stand by what I said without the need for such recourse of emotion and expletives that so many of us sink into these days. It will expose the limitations and such limitations will be more evident than in the simpler times of decades past. But I also re-emphasise that I wished the concept well. I have little time for the authors habituation for explosive outbursts but I do genuinely wish him well with this.

[Cleve]

I have little time for the authors habituation for explosive outbursts but I do genuinely wish him well with this.

Leave his reproductive techniques out of this Robert...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I stand by what I said without the need for such recourse of emotion and expletives that so many of us sink into these days. It will expose the limitations and such limitations will be more evident than in the simpler times of decades past. But I also re-emphasise that I wished the concept well. I have little time for the authors habituation for explosive outbursts but I do genuinely wish him well with this.

Mate...you need to relaxe and get a life outside of motorcycle suspension.

You say this simply because I said "So fucking what"?

You've been round racers and mechanics for a long time (obviously)...so why get your panties in a bunch over that? That's the type of language you should be used to. Or is it because these 'proddie bikes' won't be allowed to run 'Ohlins'?

[Toast]

Watching with interest

[roadracingoldfart]

James Toseland came from GB500 racing did he not? Could you imagine a worse 'race bike'? (Ok...apart from an 883)See point 1!!!

Fark Pete !!! i raced a GB 400 and a bloody MVX250 so i can tell you all about dodgy race mules lol.
One was slow as a wet weed and the other was fast enough but you never knew when it was going to drop the rear cylinder lol. (the mystery was part of the fun ).


As for Robert Taylor .... We all used to have a truck load of fun racing fast ill mannered beasts that didnt handle at all. That was what gave me for one the biggest rush of competition.

Good plan Shaun , i hope it works for you (as im sure it will) and lets all celebrate it as a welcome return to proddie race classes, the backbone of N.Z.racing from days past.

Paul.

[Robert Taylor]

Mate...you need to relaxe and get a life outside of motorcycle suspension.

You say this simply because I said "So fucking what"?

You've been round racers and mechanics for a long time (obviously)...so why get your panties in a bunch over that? That's the type of language you should be used to. Or is it because these 'proddie bikes' won't be allowed to run 'Ohlins'?

Not at all, hey I use that language from time to time in my own workshop but I am also very measured where I simply do not use it. I choose not to use it in writing, and much less so in a public forum. that does not in any way qualify me as a prude!!!
No criticism to you but I notice generally that there are now a lot of people in society who care not where they use it, anywhere, anytime. Frankly that is sad that our collective standards have degenerated so much.

What you said was ( in my humble opinion ) a written equivalent of shouting and in response to opinions that I expressed without malice or agenda.

As for the intent of the last sentence frankly its not an issue that I have considered at all, at present we have plenty of other fish to fry and are not keeping up with that. Shaun can and is entitled to beat to his own drum on that score anyway.
And yes I do need to get a life beyond the crazy hours that I do. Employing sataff has made the workload even busier. It wont be too long before we are looking for a young committed and energetic trainee.

[Ivan]

I think its a great Idea Shaun...

And I also cant see why alot off people are jumping down Roberts throat if you actually take time to read what he is saying he is stating alot of facts for people like myself to learn from I enjoy reading posts by guys like Robert as you learn from them other than most KB threads that are all talk and no actual facts behind em my 2 cents now I shall leave and return in a month to see what the bikes etc are

Ivan

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not at all, hey I use that language from time to time in my own workshop but I am also very measured where I simply do not use it. I choose not to use it in writing, and much less so in a public forum. that does not in any way qualify me as a prude!!!
No criticism to you but I notice generally that there are now a lot of people in society who care not where they use it, anywhere, anytime. Frankly that is sad that our collective standards have degenerated so much.

What you said was ( in my humble opinion ) a written equivalent of shouting and in response to opinions that I expressed without malice or agenda.

As for the intent of the last sentence frankly its not an issue that I have considered at all, at present we have plenty of other fish to fry and are not keeping up with that. Shaun can and is entitled to beat to his own drum on that score anyway.
And yes I do need to get a life beyond the crazy hours that I do. Employing sataff has made the workload even busier. It wont be too long before we are looking for a young committed and energetic trainee.

I rest my case Robert. This site (as far as I know)...is about helping (where/if we can), criticizing...if that's your opinion...and having no blinkers. You've got blinkers on. Any subject that comes up regarding racing comes back to "if only you had Ohlins". Or subliminal messages thereof.

This thread is about a good thing Shaun is doing...a good thing for NZ road racing. Go and bash your Ohlins bible elsewhere.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

would suspension be modified as per rider weight etc?

I saw you scoffing a bloody Big Ben MIGHTY MURPH Mince N'Cheese pie on the Coro GP this morning Brian - you bloody well have to change your diet if you're going to metamorphosise into Dani Pedrosa any time soon fella

[Robert Taylor]

I rest my case Robert. This site (as far as I know)...is about helping (where/if we can), criticizing...if that's your opinion...and having no blinkers. You've got blinkers on. Any subject that comes up regarding racing comes back to "if only you had Ohlins". Or subliminal messages thereof.

This thread is about a good thing Shaun is doing...a good thing for NZ road racing. Go and bash your Ohlins bible elsewhere.

Dont forget the Race Tech religion either! BTW ( correct me if I am wrong ) I dont think I mentioned the Ohlins product name until someone else did.

[AllanB]

It wont be too long before we are looking for a young committed and energetic trainee.

Ah yes - that reminds me of this one time at band camp........



My main question about all this is simple:

What colours are the bikes????????????

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dont forget the Race Tech religion either! BTW ( correct me if I am wrong ) I dont think I mentioned the Ohlins product name until someone else did.

Don't really need to with your 'Product logo' at the bottom of every post you make I guess.

Once again...why don't you ask the owners of the site if you can have an 'Ohlins only' bit? They may well link every question about sports bikes to you if you're lucky.

While I have the utmost respect for the work you do, and the knowledge you have regarding all things suspension...I'm getting more than a little tired of seeing you turn every single thread into a discussion of such.

[scrivy]

I'm sniffing either Triumphs or Hyosongs..............

What say Shaun?? Has to be one or the other........??????

As for altering suspension. In all my years racing sidecars, I've changed my suspension I think 3 times?! I know the LCR boys do it forever, dry, wet, intermediate....... etc, etc......
Oh how I love to race a bucking pile of shite and relaxing in the pits afterwards. Not tweaking/meddling non stop and racing a twicthy worm.....
The spectators like the bucking too!

All for your idea Shaun - you're a brave man in todays climate!! Will be great also to see riders having to out ride their steeds handling!! (No offence to Robert either - I love the out of controlled action.....)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm sniffing either Triumphs or Hyosongs..............

What say Shaun?? Has to be one or the other........??????

As for altering suspension. In all my years racing sidecars, I've changed my suspension I think 3 times?! I know the LCR boys do it forever, dry, wet, intermediate....... etc, etc......
Oh how I love to race a bucking pile of shite and relaxing in the pits afterwards. Not tweaking/meddling non stop and racing a twicthy worm.....
The spectators like the bucking too!

All for your idea Shaun - you're a brave man in todays climate!! Will be great also to see riders having to out ride their steeds handling!! (No offence to Robert either - I love the out of controlled action.....)

If it's Triumphs...I'd just about say I'd lick my own balls. Triumph UK may well get behind it...but Triumph NZ???? Tui.

[Robert Taylor]

Don't really need to with your 'Product logo' at the bottom of every post you make I guess.

Once again...why don't you ask the owners of the site if you can have an 'Ohlins only' bit? They may well link every question about sports bikes to you if you're lucky.

While I have the utmost respect for the work you do, and the knowledge you have regarding all things suspension...I'm getting more than a little tired of seeing you turn every single thread into a discussion of such.

Thats your opinion that you are entitled to, but I am certainly not tired of helping people. Yes, I profit from it but also ( and in fairness so does Shaun ) give a lot of people a lot of help with neither asking for nor expecting payment.
As for product logos yes your honour I am very guilty of that, but I have company, so please make sure they are sent along for beheading as well.
This thread was started by Shaun, I was quick to give him credit for this venture even though Im a polar opposite to him and disagree with him on many things. I expressed an opinion with no overt attempt to have an agenda for anything else and that I trust is how many saw it.
I repeat, good luck with this venture.