A site for people who hate HOONS and boyracers

[Katman]

The problem with that is, then everyone expects it and then its YOUR FAULT that you didn't come through for them when THEY fuck up, because you didn't give them the extra leeway.

Life cant, and doesnt, work like this, or else we end up descending into arguments like "why was I so near the centerline in my lane when you hit me head-on" when it was you who crossed the centreline, not me. It doesnt work.

If you really want to promote personal responsibility you can't start assuming someone elses responsibilities, because to be fair - they would have to start taking over yours. We are all better served to just make sure we are personally ok.

Steve

How incredibly short sighted of you.

(But then again, that doesn't surprise me).

[CookMySock]

How incredibly short sighted of you.

(But then again, that doesn't surprise me).

Rude. You know, you COULD quit being a jerk, and just talk about things concisely and rationally instead of the personal remarks and insults. Why resort to abuse? Is it because you are losing the argument?

Steve

[avgas]

I can't quite see how you've figured this one out.

Assuming they are trying to kill me covers the worst case scenario........its funny the amount of drivers/riders who get on their bike and think they wont be ASSASSINATED on the road.

[Katman]

its funny the amount of drivers/riders who get on their bike and think they wont be ASSASSINATED on the road.

Well I certainly don't approach motorcycling thinking that people are out to kill me. I approach it thinking I'm out to keep myself alive.

[avgas]

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.

What makes you think this should happen ON THE ROAD? the road is the worst place to train anyone anything.
When you teach people about rifles - would the first thing you do is give them the bullets?
Teach them about the road after they have learnt to drive.
Standing on a high horse saying "Slow down you hoons" while chucking them the keys to the car is like masturbating with razor blades.
Kids should respect everything, come down hard on them when they fuck up - IT IS THEIR FAULT. Show them consequence.
The road is a dangerous place even without hoons, diesel is a silent killer, as is gravel. Show them the world is going to try and kill them and they will be better for it.

[CookMySock]

Kids should respect everything, come down hard on them when they fuck up - IT IS THEIR FAULT. Show them consequence.

Yep. I find no need to be hard on them, personally. Consequence itself does an extraordinarily good job at it for me. I do most of my teaching/persuasion through horrific stories, ie the cardboard box story.

Steve

[Katman]

Why resort to abuse? Is it because you are losing the argument?

No, it's because I enjoy abusing you.

[PrincessBandit]

I had a van like that when I was young. But i had to persuade the girls into it. Never clocked up many miles in it.

And what type of "miles" are we talking about here then...... lol

I think if you step in front of a transit van you deserve to get hit.

Understandable sentiment to a degree, but I see students every day leaving school crossing busy roads miles away (either on their phones talking or texting or programming their ipods etc) and it's not so easy to be so hardhearted....

I think that, because the driver of the van wasn't visually identified, there isn't the intention to 'blame' them.
I think the ad is simply trying to ask "Have you left enough leeway for the unexpected?"

Well that's the biggie isn't it? Leaving enough leeway for the unexpected is one of the most important things (and I did say one of....things) we should be incorporating into our driving/riding but so easily overlooked from inside our bubble of invincibility. Sure there can always be something totally unavoidable, but the idea is to minimise those occurances.

p.s. going back to the op, close up tonight should be interesting - talk of raising the age for a drivers licence being brought up.

[Headbanger]

Understandable sentiment to a degree, but I see students every day leaving school crossing busy roads miles away (either on their phones talking or texting or programming their ipods etc) and it's not so easy to be so hardhearted....

Let me set the scene.

I was 15, mass exodus of students from the school grounds, I ride my bicycle to the end of the drive way, stop, look at the bus barrelling down the road in my direction, Decide to wait till is passed.

Another kid, my age, rides straight past me on my left onto the road.

BANG, bus hits him fair and square, he is sucked under the front, his bike hooks up under the bus, he is tangled up in it and held there, dragged under the bus, 20m down the road he comes loose, get run over by the rear set of wheels and spat out the side of the bus into the gutter. I watched the entire event unfold almost directly in front of me.


The lesson learned, Don't fuck with buses.

[Katman]

Let me set the scene........

Well, that was a thread stopper.

For what it's worth, my commiserations for having to see that at that age.

[PrincessBandit]

Let me set the scene.

... I ride my bicycle to the end of the drive way, stop, look at the bus barrelling down the road in my direction, Decide to wait till is passed.

Another kid, my age, rides straight past me on my left onto the road.

BANG, bus hits him fair and square, he is sucked under the front, ...

The lesson learned, Don't fuck with buses.

Fair enough, I won't argue with that. In the end though you're the one still alive and he's not. Does that make it any easier for his mum and dad? I don't know that they would agree with your assessment that he deserved it. If he saw the bus and "played chicken" with it then I guess that is different from being simply inattentive (as is often the case) - end result is still the same though. Wouldn't want to have witnessed that myself - sorry to hear you had to. What a lesson.

[cave weta]

I didnt mean it to turn into this!- I just thought it was a funny video......

[Headbanger]

Could have been worse, could have been me.

Funny enough he lived to tell the tale.

well, I don't know if he ever spoke again

But yes, To say he deserved it would be a bit harsh, But fuck me, its some pretty basic shit to take care of, look and save yourself and those close to you a lifetime of pain.

feck, I'm starting to sound like.....

[Katman]

feck, I'm starting to sound like.....

Shhhhhhsh.........

[CookMySock]

And what type of "miles" are we talking about here then...... lol

The good sort, lol.

Understandable sentiment to a degree, but I see students every day leaving school crossing busy roads miles away (either on their phones talking or texting or programming their ipods etc) and it's not so easy to be so hardhearted....

Its not about being hard-hearted. You can't hold their hand the whole time to make sure they are safe - this doesn't do them any favours. Our job isn't to make kids more dependent on us, it is to make them more INdependent.

To achieve this, they must believe they, and they alone are accountable for their actions - no one else can or will be there for them in times of crises. Without this understanding, people will shift accountability from themselves to others when things start to fall apart, leading to people blaming others instead of gritting their teeth, taking ownership, and making necessary positive change for their lives. ie "you didn't come through for me. I feel hurt. I blame you."

People who don't understand this concept will never understand it, and spend all their lives on a mission to "make other people see" so they can live their own lives with some safety. There is often a large level of conflict between groups of people who believe this, and those that do not.

Leaving enough leeway for the unexpected is one of the most important things (and I did say one of....things) we should be incorporating into our driving/riding but so easily overlooked from inside our bubble of invincibility. Sure there can always be something totally unavoidable, but the idea is to minimise those occurances.

Yup. A margin should be left for unplanned occurances. The margin should be about double the size of what we think it should be.

Steve