MotoGP manufacturers' 800cc machines compared.

[Cajun]

Since the introduction of the 800cc MotoGP machines at the start of the 2007 season there have been 34 races.

The following table lists the wins, podiums and poles for each of the five MotoGP manufacturers during that time:


Ducati: 16 (wins) 31 (podiums) 13 (poles)
Yamaha: 13 (wins) 32 (podiums) 13 (poles)
Honda: 4 (wins) 27 (podiums) 7 (poles)
Suzuki: 1 (wins) 11 (podiums) 1 (poles)
Kawasaki: 0 (wins) 1 (podiums) 0 (poles)


stolen from http://www.crash.net/motorsport/moto...ums_poles.html

[merv]

Yeah Honda definitely not up to their previous usual standard.

[spongebob]

oh yeah look at the kwaka performance its hard to top

[puddytat]

Has Kawasaki EVER had a win, podium or pole?
Maybe its the gay colour they insist on using...

[EJT]

What! Kawasaki has had a podium - sweet! GO GREEN

[merv]

Huh the green brand, look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...orld_Champions and you'll see they last won a championship in 1982 back when the 350 class existed. Crikey that is back when I had more hair.

No luck of the Irish with that color.

[puddytat]

One award they,d probably win is that of "the bike that crashed the most".
I 'spose theyre following the "if at first you dont suceed, try, try try, try & keep trying damnit" line.
I do like them though, just not the green ones....

[Cleve]

not doing that much better in WSBK or WSS either... hmmm

[vifferman]

I's not a good look for Honda, given that they've probably got a much bigger budget and more resources than all the other manufacturers. I don't think it helps that Repsol Honda gets the cream of HRC's race development, and Repsol favours the small Spaniard probably to the detriment of their results.

The other thing to bear in mind is which bikes are on which tyres. The Bridgestones have really dominated since they changed the tyre rules.

[Wingnut]

I's not a good look for Honda, given that they've probably got a much bigger budget and more resources than all the other manufacturers. I don't think it helps that Repsol Honda gets the cream of HRC's race development, and Repsol favours the small Spaniard probably to the detriment of their results.

The other thing to bear in mind is which bikes are on which tyres. The Bridgestones have really dominated since they changed the tyre rules.

Perhaps its time HRC need to write out a few heafty cheques to get a Stoner or Rossi. Mind you - many would probably be hesatent in going there after seeing the treatment Hayden was given.

As for the Kawa riders - you would think Hopkins would have had enough by now. It is obviously an inferior ride in comparison to the big boys and those guys arn't there just to make up numbers - they want to be competitive - it must be demorolizing being continually mid pack or top 10 at very best.

[slimjim]

Yeah Honda definitely not up to their previous usual standard.

or its it all to do with the "rider"..

[merv]

or its it all to do with the "rider"..

Yeah lot of that too, but reports always seem to suggest they don't manage the riders well - hence Rossi getting out, and the other factor I always harp on about is the value of the crew chief too. Rossi took the winningest crew chief with him Burgess. That man now has since 1987 the following championship wins in the premier class:

1 with Gardner
5 with Doohan
6 with Rossi

That's 12 in 22 years inclusive- better than 50% - no one else comes close and the switch to Yamaha proved that they could make that a winning bike too.

So while I am a Honda fan they certainly need to sort their act out with management of the race teams or else they will keep losing the best riders.

[denill]

The following table lists the wins, podiums and poles for each of the five MotoGP manufacturers during that time:

Ducati: 16 (wins) 31 (podiums) 13 (poles)
Yamaha: 13 (wins) 32 (podiums) 13 (poles)
Honda: 4 (wins) 27 (podiums) 7 (poles)
Suzuki: 1 (wins) 11 (podiums) 1 (poles)
Kawasaki: 0 (wins) 1 (podiums) 0 (poles) [/url]

Interesting and even the non-Stoner fans need to acknowledge what he's done for Ducati.

[JayRacer37]

Perhaps its time HRC need to write out a few heafty cheques to get a Stoner or Rossi. Mind you - many would probably be hesatent in going there after seeing the treatment Hayden was given.

As for the Kawa riders - you would think Hopkins would have had enough by now. It is obviously an inferior ride in comparison to the big boys and those guys arn't there just to make up numbers - they want to be competitive - it must be demorolizing being continually mid pack or top 10 at very best.

Hayden's been treated alright...he has had two years in the factory team riding at the back...Criville (won title for Repsol Honda/HRC in 2000 and flopped next two years - like Hayden) got the same, and he was Spanish - Much better for the sponsors.

Hopkins is stuck at Kawasaki because the better teams see the way foward as the hotshot 250 guys (look at honda's new riders over the last few years, and Yamaha's A team rider - Lorenzo). Of the established teams/manufacturers, only Tech 3 seems to be interested in SBK or midfeild guys (of the bikes people would call 'race winners', Yam, Honda, or Ducati - if your Stoner) so Hopkins has nowhere to go, Suzuki won't take him back after ditching last year and that would be a sideways step anyway. Vermuelin is a victim of his own impatience - If he had done another year in SBK he would probably be on a much more competitive Honda now, but he won't get a better ride until/if there are no more 250 fast boys. Unless they want to keep making up the numbers, or by some stroke of fortune Suzuki/Kawasaki find a magic trick, they would probably be able to run near the front in World SBK...if anyone would have them.

[JayRacer37]

Yeah lot of that too, but reports always seem to suggest they don't manage the riders well - hence Rossi getting out, and the other factor I always harp on about is the value of the crew chief too. Rossi took the winningest crew chief with him Burgess. That man now has since 1987 the following championship wins in the premier class:

1 with Gardner
5 with Doohan
6 with Rossi

That's 12 in 22 years inclusive- better than 50% - no one else comes close and the switch to Yamaha proved that they could make that a winning bike too.

So while I am a Honda fan they certainly need to sort their act out with management of the race teams or else they will keep losing the best riders.

I agree, the 2nd Teir teams would make some huge improvements given someone with the knowledge and foresight of Burgess, and someone who can tell the difference like Rossi...it's the whole package, and only Ducati and Yamaha have it at the moment.