Crash scenes. What to do.

[Katman]

He might not be doing it to save you...

Good point - the fact that it's only my ankle that's broken might not occur to him.

[nodrog:Me]

Last thing I want is some moron hacking away at my throat with a piece of broken rear view mirror and inserting a length of radiator overflow hose because he read somewhere on KB that it was the thing to do.

especially when all you have is a broken ankle

[nallac]

Good point - the fact that it's only my ankle that's broken might not occur to him.

of course we know its ya ankle thats broken, but its not going to stop us..
now wheres that broken mirror and hose...

[Xile]

Maybe not everything in that post is really accurate, but it raises the point that more people should take the first aid course, and know some basics that can help!

I think that Speedie and co should try to organise those 'biker first aid course' nights if they can.

And my 2 cents: when you arrive at an accident scene, first determine the state of the victim (uncouscious/conscious, breathing?) and make someone call 111 with where you are/what happened/number of victim/state of the victim/what you've done to them (CPR, lay them on their side, cover them with blankets, take off gloves and boots, keeping them conscious and talking etc), stay calm and secure the area with cars/bikes to stop the traffic, and tell watchers to fuck off and keep an clear area around you and the victim.

But i'm no medic/ambo or anything so if one of them could confirm...

[Devil]

And my 2 cents: when you arrive at an accident scene, first determine the state of the victim

You mean how far under the hedge they are?

[Murray]

By some of the posts that appear on here from time to time I would have thought the first thing to do would be to logon to the KB site and start a thread "Biker down in accident at ????"

[Katman]

By some of the posts that appear on here from time to time I would have thought the first thing to do would be to logon to the KB site and start a thread "Biker down in accident at ????"

There could be a race to see who gets home first to claim the gratification of being the one to 'break the news'.

[devnull]

And my 2 cents: when you arrive at an accident scene, first determine the state of the victim

See to your own safety first, then the safety of the victim.
No need to create more injured people...

Safety, Airway, Breathing, Circulation

If they're breathing, it's pretty safe to assume they have a pulse...

[dpex]

ok making an assumption, but i personally know of no bikers who claim to have first aid training and i myself havn't done any for about 3 years now



first aid courses (the proper ones) include what to do and not do in an emergency

that includes CPR, stemming blood loss, checking for major injury etc etc

on of the ones i did even had a bit about safely removing a bike helmet -which of course should only be done if absolutely neccessary.

ie, not 'just putting on a bandage'...


and yes, i've used that training at least twice, both offroad, once on a very good friend of mine with a very serious neck injury. while it was shit scary i knew what to do and was able to do it... also knew how serious the situation was too.

EDIT: might add i've myself been in the situation of frustration that the fuckwits who nearly killed me have no idea of what to do with me. NO SHIT IT'S WORSE EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT IT - IT'S CALLED BLEEDING YOU FUCKWIT - luckily help was only a short drive away
edit2: they also gave false details. fuckers.
edit3:no i didn't actually shout that at him. wasn't able to shout, was hard enough to breathe. paramedics were surprised i didn't break any ribs.



oh of course, but poking them in the eye isn't exactly best practice.... or even a method of determining anything

As a matter of fact it does, Trudes. Dead things don't blink, or otherwise protest when you poke them in the eye.

[dpex]

Last thing I want is some moron hacking away at my throat with a piece of broken rear view mirror and inserting a length of radiator overflow hose because he read somewhere on KB that it was the thing to do.

Actually, Katman, I think such "treatment" might be just what you need even before you have a crash. Although, I suspect, that were I the person on the scene, delivering to you the hack-and-tube, I may be tempted to pour a bit of 'something' down the tube just to kick your period off, early.

[dpex]

Good point - the fact that it's only my ankle that's broken might not occur to him.

In your case, Katman, I'd poke you in the eye, just for drill.

[dpex]

of course we know its ya ankle thats broken, but its not going to stop us..
now wheres that broken mirror and hose...

Thank you nallac. Gave me a belly laugh.

[Katman]

Fuck me, you do like the sound of your own voice, don't you?

[carver]

the crucial thing is to wheelie away from the crash site

[Pussy]

Seems to be heaps of love being extended to Katman on this one!
Bit like the axe that all topdressing planes have in the cockpit... they reckon it's there to help cut the pilot out of the wreckage in the event of an accident... more like to bash the pilot on the head to put him out of his misery