National level race classes

[FROSTY:Me]

A thought I had with smaller grids in the 2 premier level classes. 600's and 1000's

Given we seem to have about 15 in the 600 class and about 10 in the 1000's why dont we run support classes at the same time.

My thinking is we allow formula racing back in. F2 allowing modified older 600's and 2 stroke 250 RACE bikes
Formula 1 allowing 500cc race bikes and up to 1000 cc
They would be on the track at the same time as the production classes.

This is at National level

Waddaya think ?

[vtec]

I like it. But the place for experimenting with chucking different bikes together is definitely the club level and street races. At nationals we would really like a level playing field in terms of the machines, so the rider's can prove themselves. Supersport works a bit like this.

In a perfect world the big manufacturers would all be making decent 400cc v4's and we would have a decent fair and level F3 race field that was affordable to be competitive in.

Racing is missing a vital step between streetstocks/buckets and supersport. It used to be 250 production 2 strokes... We need 400cc 4 strokes dammit (with lots of modification restrictions). But nobody is making them. I think once the motogp changes from 2 stroke to four stroke, the manufacturers might start pumping out decent replica 400's like the good old days of the early nineties.

Motogp classes should be 400's 600's and 800's.

[ajturbo]

the VIC club are having a support class....

"open twin's"....

unfortunatly "open" is not really true... they recone my GT125 twin is not going to cut the mustard...

but the buell will...but i maybe needed on the day.. bugger it...

[CHOPPA]

the classes def need to be filled up! as long as everyone is in that 115% thing then sweet

[FROSTY:Me]

thats what I'm thinking--fill the grids with two year old bikes mildly worked over. truth is theres gonna be fark all speed difference but it might encourage guys to stay on a season or two longer

[racer40]

hey frosty, we also saw this problem of what to do with the older 600s and are running a pre 05 class within the 600s at the promoto tri series this summer & already have a few entered

[Tony.OK]

the classes def need to be filled up! as long as everyone is in that 115% thing then sweet

thats what I'm thinking--fill the grids with two year old bikes mildly worked over. truth is theres gonna be fark all speed difference but it might encourage guys to stay on a season or two longer

Talking SBK's the fields will be smallish anyway I think, with the Vic series if the 600's weren't cross entered there wouldn't have been many SBK's on the grid(8-10). Add in the 115% rule and that takes away 4 or 5 of those.

Would be kinda nice if some of the imports spots were filled by locals but I guess its about winning not charity at the end of the day.

Wonder if they'll end up running the SBK's and 600's together if numbers fall too much?

[FROSTY:Me]

hey frosty, we also saw this problem of what to do with the older 600s and are running a pre 05 class within the 600s at the promoto tri series this summer & already have a few entered

pre 05 sounds like a good idea --then roll it every year rather than stagnate

[CHOPPA]

Talking SBK's the fields will be smallish anyway I think, with the Vic series if the 600's weren't cross entered there wouldn't have been many SBK's on the grid(8-10). Add in the 115% rule and that takes away 4 or 5 of those.

Would be kinda nice if some of the imports spots were filled by locals but I guess its about winning not charity at the end of the day.

Wonder if they'll end up running the SBK's and 600's together if numbers fall too much?

hmm yeah its wierd how ozzys take up the very few top level rides nz offers.... But also alot of the regular club guys dont race either, are you gonna do a few rounds tony?

[Tony.OK]

hmm yeah its wierd how ozzys take up the very few top level rides nz offers.... But also alot of the regular club guys dont race either, are you gonna do a few rounds tony?

Was thinking about the Manfield round mate....................but then I checked this years times.............ouch............my times would put me at the very back hahaa. Maybe I could put an SV650 sticker on, then I might do ok

[scrivy]

Was thinking about the Manfield round mate....................but then I checked this years times.............ouch............my times would put me at the very back hahaa. Maybe I could put an SV650 sticker on, then I might do ok

Dude, why are people so scared to do their local round of the Nats?
So what if you're slower than the fast guys. So what!
It's a great way for you to learn their techniques by following them in practices and hopefully in the races. If they can go around a corner at x speed, then why cant you?? It gives you one hell of a boost to your own riding and belief of your own limits. Its great, and you get to hang out with them and ask them questions. They're not gods, they are approachable, and they will give you great advice. The last thing they want to see is their sport die off 'cause no newbies are coming through the ranks. They will help you. Believe me. It also boosts the numbers in the unfortunately dwindling classes.

Scrivy

[Shaun]

A thought I had with smaller grids in the 2 premier level classes. 600's and 1000's

Given we seem to have about 15 in the 600 class and about 10 in the 1000's why dont we run support classes at the same time.

My thinking is we allow formula racing back in. F2 allowing modified older 600's and 2 stroke 250 RACE bikes
Formula 1 allowing 500cc race bikes and up to 1000 cc
They would be on the track at the same time as the production classes.

This is at National level

Waddaya think ?

Planning and co-ordination Frosty, all to simple really.

And since the whole in the 600 class is all but fixed with the TRUE production bikes on board early March 2009 ( WOOPS GAVE
THE CLASS AWAY)

Keeping the cost dowh product that is allowed to be used on the bikes, will help RE Juvinate racing in NZ.

It is to dam exspensive to race seriously in NZ these days, after market this and that totalling around $12-000 just for bolt on parts. Bollocks! Get back on a True production bike, and learn how to ride one in the first place, then spend money a year or 2 later. if you feel you are up for the full on set up challenge.

A year or 2 of racing on Prodi bikes, will give the rider a lot of basic set up knoledge, as well as likes and dislikes to geometry set up, then you can go to CKT with dennis or Rob, and get the best after market product with there adjustment to suit you the rider, once you understand the basics first.

The time is the same on a chinese watch as it is on a Swedish watch, it is just that the internalls of the Swedish watch, are built as a top quality parts, where the chinese parts jut do the basics only.

The bike only goes as fast as you pull the trigger, and you will learn a lot from a bike that moves around under you more than you will learn from a rock solid well suspension set up bike as a learner rider, NOT A CRAIG S or Sloan 4example

[FROSTY:Me]

Was thinking about the Manfield round mate....................but then I checked this years times.............ouch............my times would put me at the very back hahaa. Maybe I could put an SV650 sticker on, then I might do ok

Mate with one noteable exception (ME fuggit) I have noticed that riders tend to raise their game doing the nationals.
If its just because the tracks usually warmer or its just that you are with the top riders I dunno.

[Shaun]

Mate with one noteable exception (ME fuggit) I have noticed that riders tend to raise their game doing the nationals.
If its just because the tracks usually warmer or its just that you are with the top riders I dunno.

Both dude, also When the Flag drops, The B Shit stops

[FROSTY:Me]

Both dude, also When the Flag drops, The B Shit stops

Talking about Bshit stops.--er looks like were back on for friday mate.