Forum whore
It's perfectly acceptable to kill someone with a motor vehicle.
Do it with a hammer and it's murder. Drop a fridge off a third floor balcony by accident and it's manslaughter. Speed in a Nissan Skyline and it's an accident.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4742109a11.html
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Shafty Bugger
Have always believed that operating any vehicle outside of the boundries of the law and causing the death of another should be classed as a manslaughter offence.
So far in my own life, I have never injured another on the road, but that is not to say it may not happen to me.
Thats why I refuse to carry a pillion, I dont want to be responcible for their life if I fuck up.
To be old and wise, first you must be young and stupid.
For whom the bell tolls
So he's indoors for 10mths - unable to make a living as a building aprentice as he usually would, yet he has to pay the family $18k (is it rude if i LOL at that amount?) at $125/wk which he surely won't be able to pay if i he is not making a living.
Does that then mean that we, the taxpayer, then pick up the bill?
Was she only worth $18,000?
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Whip it, whip it good!
So very sad to read. And J2 I agree with you, it is not on that you can run someone down by "accident" and not have it called manslaughter! He did not mean for her to die, there for it is manslaughter, she dies as a result of his actions.
Heart goes out to all that knew her...particularly her Mom.
Originally Posted by Gubb
Scattering the morning dew
Shame on the judge. Shame on the government who passed the law. Shame on the young man involved. Shame on his friends for egging him on.
Easily ammused
Funny, I said exactly the same thing today. Now to work out how to kill cagers with a bike!
Some things are worth dying for, living is one of them.
Eyes that shine burning red
I don't expect answers to the following, just some things to think about.
Does manslaughter = guaranteed prison time? (I see no mention he wasn't charged with manslaughter in the article)
Would prison time make the victims family fee better?
Would prison time stop others from speeding and killing?
Would prison time deter this offender from speeding and killing more than his current sentence?
Would prison time change the offender for the worse?
Would you expect to go to prison if you killed someone while riding/driving?
Forum whore
See that's the odd thing. The judge goes all bleeding heart about him being unable to socialise. However. He'll be doing his Community Service. People can visit him at will. He can use the phone, the Internet, and the TV at will.
It's not rude to lol at $18k. It's pointless to place a value on someone's life, and yet I vaguely remember people baying about reparation on this very site. The amount is an insult. The fact that it is visited weekly upon the family is doubly a punishment and an insult for them.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
on the up
100% in agreement with you James.
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
- James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.
Forum whore
Justice isn't about any of those things. It is about applying accepted punishments for defined acts that are deemed to be at odds with the values of a particular society.
Ideally Justice is blind and deals only in facts.
However this case once again highlights to me that there is gap in our understanding when it comes to accepting personal responsibility for piloting a vehicle on roads that you share with other people. Not only that, killing someone with a vehicle is a lesser crime than killing someone with a stapler.
If you cross the centre line and kill someone with your truck, you may lose your license. You'll probably get trauma counselling. There's something not right with this picture.
It's not about vengeance, it is about applying Justice equally for a given crime.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
released early.. yahoo..
dude..ya's gona fuck up some stage in life...so start living rather than been a worry-pussy...fuck otherwise your gona be a VERY FUCKING LONELY BIKER..
.xjr...
.."What's with all the lights"..officer..
gee wizzz
Ya known theres fuck all about the USA I agree with. But the available charge Vehicular manslaughter is definitely one thing I DO agree wth
To see a life newly created.To watch it grow and prosper. Isn't that the greatest gift a human being can be given?
e mare libertas
What about Lipene Sila, who rammed his car into a group of partygoers, killing two?
He was convicted of murder, and got a non-parole period of 17 years.
That is precisely how he would have been treated if he'd walloped someone with a hammer and killed them.
What about Garth Porter, who went out hunting, thought his daughter's boyfriend was a deer, and shot and killed him?
He was convicted of careless use of a firearm causing death, and sentenced to five months home detention and 250 hours community service.
Was that a stiffer penalty than he would have received if he'd 'accidentally' hit the boy with a car and killed him? I think not.
I don't find your argument very compelling...
You haven't shown any instances of this failing to be done, though. You've just shown that the NZ justice system tends to hand out light sentences for crimes where intent was lacking.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Forum whore
Wonder what you would get for clipping the ticket of a judges child?
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
(PostalDave on ADVrider)
Hardcore Biker
You missed one:
Would prison time be a reasonable punishment?
It's back..."Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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