im with you on this one cow poos. 100%.
why do black tyres on a black road produce white smoke?????
Yeah, gotta agree with you on this one too CP.
The original mentors programme was pulled due to 20 year olds with 1 or 2 years ending up on the mentor list, and a new one was instituted.
There was a lot of work went into the new programme. Unfortunately the process doesn't appear too transparent to me and I'm not confident of the end result as well.
There are a number of people on the mentor programme whose ability I respect and a number of whom I have no idea at all.
The legal implications to the site owners if something goes wrong could be interesting.
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What the hell have his social skills got to do with it? You can learn those in a pub. What newbies (and old returning farts like me) need are bike skills and road craft. Having ridden with Katman on group rides I can attest to his skills on both counts............but hey, what would I know? I'm just an old fart who can't ride for shit (hence I never dispense advice to anyone...)
"Twilight's like soccer. They run around for two hours, nobody scores, and a billion fans insist you just don't understand"
Doesn't everyone? Why the struggle to get ones' own opinion (not yours wysper) to be taken as fact? There is no "fact". We collect opinion and we make our own "fact". Everyone does.
Exactly. Mentoring is more about achieving a positive outcome with a person over time, and less about being right regardless, and that requires more social skills than it does biking skills. After all the teaching is done, the idea is to come out of it with a person who still wants to ride a bike and doesn't feel like giving up.
I'm teaching my kids to drive and ride, and I taught my wife to ride, and they are brilliantly smooth to follow and watch, and yet I'm a new rider myself.
However, I have disagreed with and no doubt angered and provoked the great almighty cowshit, and everyone that posts in his thread must agree with him, so watch the abuse and red rep follow.
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So is there no defining line between a Mentor and a Tutor? It looks like the majority of nay sayers are talking about Tutors which is different. Mentors are not meant to teach - if they are then there's something seriously wrong. They are merely supposed to be a wheel to follow sometimes and someone with a bit of knowledge who can give words of encouragement (rather than tuition).
In space, no one can smell your fart.
While you make a valid point, it is very easy to miss out on valuable learning from certain people because their personality doesn't fit with you. Instead I try to look beyond to the knowledge base and experience that they have. I have learned some very valuable professional skills from people who have all the social skills of the average 3 year old, in fact the best technical advances I made professionally were from being tutored by an Orthopaedic surgeon in the USA who was probably the most arrogant and disagreeable person I've ever met! Just had to look beyond all that to the goldmine of knowledge that was being made available to me.
"Twilight's like soccer. They run around for two hours, nobody scores, and a billion fans insist you just don't understand"
Seems to be a lot of people bagging the mentor 'system'. I don't see any of the baggers putting their hands up and suggesting something 'better'.
Most riders that want help just want that help in one or two areas of their riding, and they are free to seek that help where-ever they like. But if they ask on KB, then surely officially approved mentors are better than what went before (names not reqd even though they don't participate on KB anymore)?
Nothing is stopping those who think they are good enough from passing on skills and knowledge to others, but as far as KB as an entity is concerned, there has to be some way of being assured that the intending official mentor is of a suitable standard. The process to achieve that was fairly robust (we even talked about having police vetting FFS).
The other thing worth mentioning is the old "KB is not a democracy" - yet the mentors were picked via a democratic process. Still can't keep everybody happy.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
mentors talk about the basic riding stuff aye? like stop start going round a corner safely?
its not about advanced riding skills?
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
chocolate please with some icing!
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
Wha' ????
If I needed a mentor (and I did), I wouldn't give a shit about how well the rider could indulge in social intercourse, or win popularity contests! If they are experienced, keen to stay alive, have common sense and ride accordingly (thank god I found Lynda and Hamish!), then I would be keen to keep their back wheel in my sights for as long as I felt comfortable or wanted to.
Hmm fuck - what does that make me - an old fartess??
There we go - some common sense??
Exactly
Oh - 'er - yes please?
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