Kiwibiker Mentors - Opinion

**boomer** · 2nd November 2008, 10:17

Originally Posted by Quasievil

... I know one mentor thats crashed on the road 5 times lol real good mentoring capability that is lol

i believe this is the point all of us nay sayers are referring to. Still.. In the grand scheme of things.. Who gives a fook !?

I vote for a ':Common Sense Tag' ..

**jrandom** · 2nd November 2008, 10:19

Originally Posted by boomer

In the grand scheme of things.. Who gives a fook !?

This is KB. Since when has not giving a fook stopped anyone from making their opinion extremely clear?

**Lucy** · 2nd November 2008, 10:20

Originally Posted by jrandom

Pfft, you can't measure someone's riding competence by how many times they haven't crashed.

People who've never crashed are either simply riding within only a tiny percentage of their bike's capabilities (and that includes people who only ever take the bike out of the garage on sunny days, etc) and are therefore unsuitable to convey information about motorcycle control dynamics, or they're ticking timebombs who don't know the risks they're running.

Hey! You're supposed to know me before being able to judge me so accurately!

Although if dropping the bike whilst trying to leave a McDonalds carpark counts as crashing on the road, then I have crashed. Can I be a mentor?

**jrandom** · 2nd November 2008, 10:20

Originally Posted by Lucy

Can I be a mentor?

Only if you're hot. Pixplz.

**Mental Trousers** · 2nd November 2008, 10:21

Originally Posted by Quasievil

That shows what an arse it is then, im perfect mum said so, I know one mentor thats crashed on the road 5 times lol real good mentoring capability that is lol

... and that Mentor (if we are talking about the same person of course) no longer rides on the road but prefers to crash within the safe confines of a race track with an ambulance standing by. An indication that his attitude to riding has changed and matured. That change is was the single biggest factor in determining whether he should be a Mentor or not. Plenty of crashes means he's gotten to the point he's at the hard way, but that's the way some people learn - by 1st hand experience.

**Lucy** · 2nd November 2008, 10:22

Originally Posted by jrandom

Only if you're hot. Pixplz.

bugger....

I'm married and ride a BMW. What do YOU think....???

**Kendog** · 2nd November 2008, 10:22

Originally Posted by jrandom

People who've never crashed are either simply riding within only a tiny percentage of their bike's capabilities (and that includes people who only ever take the bike out of the garage on sunny days, etc) and are therefore unsuitable to convey information about motorcycle control dynamics, or they're ticking timebombs who don't know the risks they're running.

Have to disagree with that one.
You are heading into the 'everybody crashes when they ride a bike' world.
Why should everybody have to crash?
Why should people have to ride at the bikes capabilities, rather than their own?
Why is someone that hasn't crashed a ticking time bomb?, what does that mean for people that have not killed someone yet?

**yungatart** · 2nd November 2008, 10:23

Originally Posted by jrandom

People who've never crashed are either simply riding within only a tiny percentage of their bike's capabilities (and that includes people who only ever take the bike out of the garage on sunny days, etc) and are therefore unsuitable to convey information about motorcycle control dynamics, or they're ticking timebombs who don't know the risks they're running.

What a crock!
Perhaps people who have never crashed ride sensibly all the time, have excellent skills, bike handling abilities and road craft.

Some who have crashed many times have learned the lessons the hard way and are well equipped to pass those lessons on to others.

And then there are the turkeys..who crash seemingly weekly, lose their licences numerous times, won't listen to others who know better...basically your slow learner retarded types!

**jrandom** · 2nd November 2008, 10:23

Originally Posted by Mental-Trousers

... and that Mentor (if we are talking about the same person of course) no longer rides on the road but prefers to crash within the safe confines of a race track with an ambulance standing by. An indication that his attitude to riding has changed and matured.

+1, bang on the money.

**boomer** · 2nd November 2008, 10:25

Originally Posted by Mental-Trousers

... and that Mentor (if we are talking about the same person of course) no longer rides on the road but prefers to crash within the safe confines of a race track with an ambulance standing by. An indication that his attitude to riding has changed and matured. That change is was the single biggest factor in determining whether he should be a Mentor or not. Plenty of crashes means he's gotten to the point he's at the hard way, but that's the way some people learn - by 1st hand experience.

bs.. ! Sorry Shane.

Originally Posted by Kendog

Have to disagree with that one.
You are heading into the 'everybody crashes when they ride a bike' world.
Why should everybody have to crash?
Why should people have to ride at the bikes capabilities, rather than their own?
Why is someone that hasn't crashed a ticking time bomb?, what does that mean for people that have not killed someone yet?

lol.. did that idiot (JRandom) really just say that??! he's another thats crashed so many times he's teh perfect candidate for Mentordom!

:lmfao:

**jrandom** · 2nd November 2008, 10:29

Originally Posted by yungatart

Perhaps people who have never crashed ride sensibly all the time, have excellent skills, bike handling abilities and road craft.

Perhaps... I'd say someone's obviously a bit sensitive on this topic!

Y'know, I could do 100,000km by going round and round the block I live on and never falling off or breaking a road regulation.

Not sure I'd learn much while doing it, though.

Originally Posted by yungatart

And then there are the turkeys..who crash seemingly weekly, lose their licences numerous times, won't listen to others who know better...basically your slow learner retarded types!

Chortle, chortle. Thing is, though - I don't presume to be anyone's 'mentor'.

**jrandom** · 2nd November 2008, 10:30

Originally Posted by boomer

he's another thats crashed so many times he's teh perfect candidate for Mentordom!

True, my resumé is stellar, but frankly, I just don't feel any need to have my ego stroked.

**yungatart** · 2nd November 2008, 10:32

Originally Posted by jrandom

Perhaps... I'd say someone's obviously a bit sensitive on this topic!

Y'know, I could do 100,000km by going round and round the block I live on and never falling off or breaking a road regulation.

Not sure I'd learn much while doing it, though.

Chortle, chortle. Thing is, though - I don't presume to be anyone's 'mentor'.

Why would I be sensitive on this topic? I fail to see your point.
I, also, don't presume to be a mentor either.

**jrandom** · 2nd November 2008, 10:36

Originally Posted by yungatart

Why would I be sensitive on this topic?

I can't imagine why.

Originally Posted by yungatart

I, also, don't presume to be a mentor either.

Never said you did!

We're talking in general terms only, of course.

**boomer** · 2nd November 2008, 10:38

Originally Posted by jrandom

Perhaps... I'd say someone's obviously a bit sensitive on this topic!

Y'know, I could do 100,000km by going round and round the block I live on and never falling off or breaking a road regulation.

Not sure I'd learn much while doing it, though.

Chortle, chortle. Thing is, though - I don't presume to be anyone's 'mentor'.[/i]

Why would I be sensitive on this topic? I fail to see your point.
I, also, don't presume to be a mentor either.

Originally Posted by yungatart

Why would I be sensitive on this topic? I fail to see your point.
I, also, don't presume to be a mentor either.

the idjiot goes all over the country doing 100,000's of k's and still doesn't learn!!! ahhahahahahaha i believe his arguments are flawed.