Epic Fail?

[vifferman]

Vifferman, if you were drinking Epic Pale Ale, it would have to have been an EPIC SUCCESS.........and if you haven't tried Epic Pale Ale, you should have. I could always freight some to ya if you need me to.....at a modest cost of course.....

I've tried one of the Epic Ales - can't remember which one.
It was OK, but not the best ale I've had, nor the most enjoyable.

[vifferman]

Sigh...another person talking about "shit" they don't know about.

So...to qualify as bio-gro certified organic food, what must be done with the "shit" before it is used?

Who cares?
I definitely don't.
Sheeeeesh....
The whole point was that organic is seemingly all about "pure" and "natural" and "good for you". As part of that, the use of "unnatural" things such as (quelle horreur!) chemicals is eschewed.
My point is what the fuck is the point in worrying about that, when the beer contains something which is far more harmful!
Not only is ethanol a chemical, they've designed it to be in there, and it's fucking poisonous! It's a neurotoxin!
Why go to so much trouble to be all pure and organic on something which is, when all is said and done, not organic.
Maybe the label was just confusing, and the "Organic" proudly proclaimed the fact that ethanol is an organic solvent.

Fuck me!
This started off as just a wee chortle while I was drinking me beer while infesting some meat with some carcinogens on the BBQ. If one of you geniuses (geniiiii?) had picked up early on what it was I was trying to lead you towards without sidetracking into a discussion about the whole whacky, hippy ripoff that the organics thing is, the thread would have stayed in "chortle" mode. This is the Rant and Rave forum after all.

Mods - please delete this thread. Some people around here take things WAY too seriously.

[The Pastor]

Who cares?
I definitely don't.
Sheeeeesh....
The whole point was that organic is seemingly all about "pure" and "natural" and "good for you". As part of that, the use of "unnatural" things such as (quelle horreur!) chemicals is eschewed.
My point is what the fuck is the point in worrying about that, when the beer contains something which is far more harmful!
Not only is ethanol a chemical, they've designed it to be in there, and it's fucking poisonous! It's a neurotoxin!
Why go to so much trouble to be all pure and organic on something which is, when all is said and done, not organic.
Maybe the label was just confusing, and the "Organic" proudly proclaimed the fact that ethanol is an organic solvent.

Fuck me!
This started off as just a wee chortle while I was drinking me beer while infesting some meat with some carcinogens on the BBQ. If one of you geniuses (geniiiii?) had picked up early on what it was I was trying to lead you towards without sidetracking into a discussion about the whole whacky, hippy ripoff that the organics thing is, the thread would have stayed in "chortle" mode. This is the Rant and Rave forum after all.

Mods - please delete this thread. Some people around here take things WAY too seriously.

dude like wtf your posting on the internet!

[-df-]

Who cares?
I definitely don't.
Sheeeeesh....
The whole point was that organic is seemingly all about "pure" and "natural" and "good for you". As part of that, the use of "unnatural" things such as (quelle horreur!) chemicals is eschewed.
My point is what the fuck is the point in worrying about that, when the beer contains something which is far more harmful!
Not only is ethanol a chemical, they've designed it to be in there, and it's fucking poisonous! It's a neurotoxin!
Why go to so much trouble to be all pure and organic on something which is, when all is said and done, not organic.
Maybe the label was just confusing, and the "Organic" proudly proclaimed the fact that ethanol is an organic solvent.

Fuck me!
This started off as just a wee chortle while I was drinking me beer while infesting some meat with some carcinogens on the BBQ. If one of you geniuses (geniiiii?) had picked up early on what it was I was trying to lead you towards without sidetracking into a discussion about the whole whacky, hippy ripoff that the organics thing is, the thread would have stayed in "chortle" mode. This is the Rant and Rave forum after all.

Mods - please delete this thread. Some people around here take things WAY too seriously.

ok...chill pill time me thinks.

You stated organic food basically will kill you because of the stuff you put onto it...which is so incorrect its funny.

so in fact you took it off your original topic...which was the only reason I responded.

Oh well...back to looking at bike pics...

[Hitcher]

I get more than a little annoyed when people use frivolous statements to give their widget an edge over their competition. I get very annoyed when such inferences are used to play on fears, prejudice or ignorance.

For example, there is a marketer of chicken meat products in New Zealand whose television advertisements smugly claim that their chicken products contain no "GM" or "hormone growth promotants", by inference implying that other chicken products produced in New Zealand may.

Let's look at both of these claims. The second one is easiest dealt with. No chickens grown in New Zealand contain hormone growth promotants, so untangle your knickers on that score immediately.

The issue of "GM" is a bit harder to deal with, because it is a religion. Let's consider a few salient points:

1. There is no empirical or scientific evidence to suggest that GM foods are harmful. Indeed if any of the sensationalist claims made by naysayers had any shread of substance, they would have been borne out by now, improbable that they are anyway.
2. New Zealand is not "GM" free. There are many GM products widely distributed for use by humans and other animals, the most common of these being insulin for Type 1 diabetics.
3. Any product containing soy most likely contains traces of GM soy, whether those products are imported for human or animal consumption. There are several GM constructs that are approved by FSANZ for consumption.

[vifferman]

I get more than a little annoyed when people use frivolous statements to give their widget an edge over their competition.

Yes, that's very nice, Dr Bret, and I agree, but what do you think about this organic beer?

[slofox]

I've tried one of the Epic Ales - can't remember which one.
It was OK, but not the best ale I've had, nor the most enjoyable.

So I'm guessing that the beer in question here today was maybe Emersons Pilsner ......which does have an 'organic' claim on the front label....which basically means the ingredients used in its manufacture are grown to whatever organic standards the grower adheres to - ie biogrow, or demeter or whatever.......
I always tell my customers that the alcohol works just as well whether organic or not....... But you'd be surprised how many people seek out 'organic' booze............

[vifferman]

So I'm guessing that the beer in question here today was maybe Emersons Pilsner

No.
It wasn't a pilsener or pilsner. It was some reddish thing, claimfully organic, but contaminated with 4.2% ethanol. I can't remember what it was, and by now the recyclatron'll have been emptied, so I can't check. I'd know it if I came across it though.
Given it was supposedly only 4.2% (huh... my favourite Belgians are 8.x%), it seemed to have a wallop. Prolly those organic contaminants - didn't feel like the normal neurotoxicity beer usually has. More sort of poisony...
Didn't fully read the label either; coont be bothered sticky my reading glasses on (yeah, I'm getting old(er) and my eyes aren't what they was, and the organix made them worse), so I dunno what claims it made.
I'm not buying it again though.
You can never tell what's in that Hippy Stuff.
Give me Good Ole Straightforward ChemicAle any day.

[Hitcher]

Yes, that's very nice, Dr Bret, and I agree, but what do you think about this organic beer?

All beer is "organic". No beer that's brewed in New Zealand contains "chemicals". It's made from natural products contained in scrupulously clean stainless steel. There is no such thing as "organic". It's just another fucking religion.

[Big Dave]

[Mikkel]

This is the Rant and Rave forum after all.

And you started out raving and ended up ranting, wholy appropriate isn't it?

[vifferman]

Nice cartoon, Mr Big the Dave, but I aint.
Ack (Shirly) perhaps I yam.
I just want someone (anyone) to acknowledge that it makes no sense to have "organic" on a beer bottle, as if it somehow imbues the contents with magical non-poisonous properties.
"Organic" + Organic Solvent = FAIL.

[Mikkel]

Nice cartoon, Mr Big the Dave, but I aint.
Ack (Shirly) perhaps I yam.
I just want someone (anyone) to acknowledge that it makes no sense to have "organic" on a beer bottle, as if it somehow imbues the contents with magical non-poisonous properties.
"Organic" + Organic Solvent = FAIL.

How about "organic", alcohol-free beer then?

[vifferman]

And you started out raving and ended up ranting, wholy appropriate isn't it?

[Sigh]
I wish I had a few bottles of that stupid crappy beer right now - the whole saga, and the pro-organic organs coming outta the woodwork is enough to drive a man to drink...
Wish I'd noticed the label in the supermarket, then I'd never have started this foooookn thread.
Grrrrr! and all that.

[vifferman]

How about "organic", alcohol-free beer then?

That would make sense.
Well... as much sense as any of "that" stuff makes.