Yes another Snap poll

[Hitcher]

S'alright old bean, what are friends for? I have to say I'm intrigued by the possibility of the "underhang" scenario - not so much that I'm shifting my vote from Act mind you.

One suspects you mean the "overhang" scenario: where Parliament comprises more that 120 seats due to disproportionate seats won versus votes cast?

Rodney winning Epsom would result in an overhang of one. The Maori Party winning all seven Maori seats would result in an overhang of four. Combine the two, and a government requires a working majority of 63 seats.

[Usarka]

Yeah, Right!

The Act Party???

Ok the one possible exception, but listen to what key has to say about Roger Douglas it aint too complimentary.....

And it's thinking like this that is the reason we have so many shit heads in parliament.

Hmmm i thought it was more like common sense. Helen is by far more likely to rally support from the minor parties. National has ruled out a coalition with NZ 1st, the greens have ruled out a coalition with national, and all but act will jump into bed with labour in a flash once hels starts promising them juicy cabinet positions or support for their radical pet policies.

If the minor parties play a significant part in the election then my money is on them siding with Labour.

And shitheads? Do you mean the likes of WPeters and Sue Bradford????

[Blossom]

what about a vote for MBB???

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=85017

[MisterD]

One suspects you mean the "overhang" scenario: where Parliament comprises more that 120 seats due to disproportionate seats won versus votes cast?

Rodney winning Epsom would result in an overhang of one. The Maori Party winning all seven Maori seats would result in an overhang of four. Combine the two, and a government requires a working majority of 63 seats.

Conversely, should B&B win 5% they are entitled to 5 seats however they only have a list of 2 candidates. They are not allowed to add to their declared list so the remaining 3 seats would be an underhang and remain un-filled.

[henry]

Hmmm i thought it was more like common sense.

Common sense is voting for the person you want to represent you in parliament.

And shitheads? Do you mean the likes of WPeters and Sue Bradford????

Why stop at those two. There are another 119 to go.

[Usarka]

Common sense is voting for the person you want to represent you in parliament.

Bill & Ben it is then.

Why stop at those two. There are another 119 to go.

too true.

[Hitcher]

Common sense is voting for the person you want to represent you in parliament.

Unfortunately MMP doesn't allow you to get rid of people you don't like by voting them out. They seem to miraculously appear on a party list and continue to get both trotters in the public trough.

[RantyDave]

Common sense is voting for the person you want to represent you in parliament.

I haven't met them. This strikes me as quite weird - I definitely recall door to door campaigning in the yookay, but not now. I've not met either potential MP.

Oh, it's all so hard.

Dave

[henry]

Unfortunately MMP doesn't allow you to get rid of people you don't like by voting them out.

Is there an electoral system that lets you vote people out of government?

Was that what Tame Iti was working on in the Ureweras?

[Hitcher]

Is there an electoral system that lets you vote people out of government?

Absolutely. It's called "first past the post". If you don't like one candidate, you vote for another. The candidate with the most votes wins. Majority rules. It's democratic, easy to understand and effective. I'm surprised that it has fallen from favour.

[Magua]

Majority rules.

However the majority may just be the larget minority. Is that any better than mmp?

[henry]

Absolutely. It's called "first past the post". If you don't like one candidate, you vote for another. The candidate with the most votes wins. Majority rules. It's democratic, easy to understand and effective. I'm surprised that it has fallen from favour.

I know what you are trying to say, but it doesn't make any sense. You can't vote someone out of office. There is no box on any voting paper in any system, FPP, MMP or whatever, that says "Tick here if you don't want this guy to get the job".

[Hitcher]

However the majority may just be the larget minority. Is that any better than mmp?

Jesus I am so over all of this nonsense about "fairness". I am so over a "party" with 5% of the popular vote, whose MPs nobody voted for, getting its nonsense agenda considered seriously by a Government in return for "favours" granted.

And to answer the next question: no, one person can't vote an electorate MP out. But a severalness of them can. "Fuck you, loser, and the horse you rode in on!" they yell exuberantly. But lo, said evicted loser is on a party list and waltzes back into Parliament. Where is the justice in that?

[henry]

Jesus I am so over all of this nonsense about "fairness". I am so over a "party" with 5% of the popular vote, whose MPs nobody voted for, getting its nonsense agenda considered seriously by a Government in return for "favours" granted.

Presumedly 5% of the people voted for them. 5% who would have been right royally fucked if it wasn't for MMP.

And to answer the next question: no, one person can't vote an electorate MP out. But a severalness of them can. "Fuck you, loser, and the horse you rode in on!" they yell exuberantly. But lo, said evicted loser is on a party list and waltzes back into Parliament. Where is the justice in that?

Nothing's perfect mate.