Is National being irresponsible?

**Winston001** · 4th November 2008, 12:36

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Will you support a party that bases it's campaign on telling us how bad the other party/s are??

Well no, I don't like that either. Negative politicking is awful.

However before the campaigns kicked off I thought National would say very little and let Labour trip over themselves. All National had to do was say "steady as she goes, there is an economic crisis, all bets are off, but we'll handle it better than Labour".

Seriously - it would work. That is exactly what the Labour did in 1984. Very little poklicy but a fresh new look contrasted with a tired Muldoon.

The thing you have to ask yourself is, will Party XYZ do well for me first, and the country second?

Ok, for me it's what party will serve NZ best. Longterm thats good for me and my children. I'm not interested in my personal position unless its increased taxes.

**MisterD** · 4th November 2008, 12:50

Originally Posted by Tank

ACT isnt a silly vote - as long as Rodders gets in!

He's got 50% plus polling in Epsom - he's in alright. Saw him doing the human-billboard bit at the Shore Rd / Ayr St roundabout last night, so I went round twice tooting my horn!

**Storm** · 4th November 2008, 14:51

Thats what I admire about Rodney- he has to work to get elected, unlike these lazy shites who have grovelled thier way far enough up the list not to have to rely on getting elected.
My 2c worth is that we arsehole the party vote-just have local seats. If you dont win in the town you live in (and thats where you'll have to impress), you dont get in.
Simple.
No win, no seat in the controlling body.
No list to save your worthless arse that no-one anywhere wanted running thier lives. Sue-I-know-whats-best-for-you-all-even-though-80%-of-the-country-told-me-where-to-stick-it-Bradford, I'm looking at you and your kind here

That would make several riders of the current gravy trains VERY uncomfortable

Ok, I'm done ranting. As you were

**vifferman** · 4th November 2008, 14:56

I see Rod is in trouble for his canary yellow jacket - apparently it runs foul of the stupid electoral advertising reform act Labour pushed through, as it has a slogan on it but doesn't state on it the details of the person in charge of the advertising campaign or somesuch. Rodders knew about this, and is just seeing how far he can push things till he gets hauled in.
Good for him - none of the parties should put up with any of that bollocks.

**Quasievil** · 4th November 2008, 15:03

me voting ACT to, do you know who wrote ACTS law n Order policey ???? the sensible sentencing group, thats listening to the people ! they have my votre without question.

Labour tonight (sson) will be announcing some new piece of dirt on the National, more secret recordings apparently, thats the focus of labour , big international crises and they are flying to aussy trying to find dirt and releasing conversations which are out of context to win another three years.
Fucking Hoe bag, she needs to be expelled from the country on Saturday night

**freddy72** · 4th November 2008, 15:10

I am getting sick of these labour ad's talking about not trusting key. Anyone remember someone signing a painting they didn't paint, or getting their driver to speed to a rugby game then hanging them out to dry, or the numerous other un-trustworthy acts.....

How about advertising based on policy not personal attacks?

I am also sick of these ads, all it shows me is that Labour has nothing to offer us in the future, and they feel their only chance to get in is to personally belittle Mr Key. It would not worry me if they were attacking the National party; I just believe they do not need to get personal. I do not recall seeing any other Ads on the box from other parties that are essentially personal attacks. I have found most of them do give you some information about the policies they want to implement.

**Maha** · 4th November 2008, 15:18

Go back a few months and I would have said National would govern NZ for at least the next three years, not so sure now. I wont right that senario off, but what I am sure of is, this election wont be a gimmy as Mr Keys once thought, and he knows it.

**MSTRS:Me** · 4th November 2008, 16:00

Originally Posted by Winston001

... That is exactly what the Labour did in 1984. Very little policy but a fresh new look contrasted with a tired Muldoon.

Similar situation, in that the public have basically become sick and tired of being treated like idiots, and social engineering. That the producing taxpayers pay for.

**Winston001** · 4th November 2008, 19:55

Originally Posted by freddy72

I am also sick of these ads, all it shows me is that Labour has nothing to offer us in the future, and they feel their only chance to get in is to personally belittle Mr Key. It would not worry me if they were attacking the National party; I just believe they do not need to get personal. I do not recall seeing any other Ads on the box from other parties that are essentially personal attacks. I have found most of them do give you some information about the policies they want to implement.

Good point and well said. Labour appear to be the only party deliberately attacking the man, not the ball.

Whoever thought up the "Trust" campaign as their major thrust must have had rocks in his head. As Usarka said, all that's required is to mention "painting" and the "motorcade" and the trust attack comes back to bite Labour with a vengeance.

**Maffoo** · 4th November 2008, 21:05

i do know Key is being irresonsible about road safety

in the ad where he promises more money for schools, he is filmed sitting in the front seat of a car, talking to th e camera in the back seat... with no seat belt on

**davereid** · 5th November 2008, 07:16

Originally Posted by jim.cox

...I really want rid of Uncle Helen...So National will get my vote...Maybe I should vote ACT?

I have voted like this in the past.

That is to say I have voted for something I don't really see as ideal, as a way of changing the government

Its a bit like voting to be knifed in the guts instead of stabbed in the back !

ACT will never form the government. So we are unlikely to reap the benefits of an ACT government.

But in spite of polling, I think on-the-day ACT will pass the 5% threshold by miles.

**Quasievil** · 5th November 2008, 07:36

Originally Posted by davereid

ACT will never form the government. So we are unlikely to reap the benefits of an ACT government.

Yes thats true they wont form a government but they will be part of it and in saying that will have a strong voice in there, and thats worth it.
MMP is all about comprimises and back room deals, ie, if ACT (of course they will) go in coalition with National to form a government they will do so on the basis that certain policies are brought to the table.

Im voting ACT, they are the only party with any brains in their policies

**marioc** · 5th November 2008, 09:23

Key is a fcukin idiot,exactly the type of money grabbing homo you dont want running your country imo

**The Pastor** · 5th November 2008, 09:28

Originally Posted by maffoo

i do know key is being irresonsible about road safety

in the ad where he promises more money for schools, he is filmed sitting in the front seat of a car, talking to th e camera in the back seat... With no seat belt on

woah!!! Hold the phone! No seatbelt! What a dick! He should be fired!