Don't often indicate when overtaking

[Mikkel]

Indicators were not designed for overtaking.

If people were using them for their designated purpose it would be good. Too many people just don't bother indicating at all, and that's pretty serious IMHO.

Regarding overtaking, I don't indicate when pulling out to overtake unless there's oncoming traffic - or traffic close behind me. If I'm waiting for a hole in oncoming traffic I don't check my mirrors either. Neither do I indicate at merging lanes - the course of action is perfectly obvious.

[Badjelly]

And what's gonna stop that vehicle turning left out of any road or driveway anytime I'm overtaking?

Nothing. That's why I'm very careful in this situation. But you're suggesting it's OK to overtake another vehicle and then, before completing the manoeuvre, slow down to turn right into a side street, meaning more time on the right hand side of the road and a strong temptation to cut the corner to get away from the vehicle you've just overtaken, which is about to overtake you back, or maybe run into you. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[Badjelly]

Regarding overtaking, I don't indicate when pulling out to overtake unless there's oncoming traffic - or traffic close behind me.

I tend to indicate whether or not I think there's anyone around who's going to see. It drives Mrs Jelly mad. "What are you indicating for?" she says, "there's no-one to see you." "Yes dear," I say. But I indicate anyway. I think it's a good habit to get into.

In the case of overtaking, there obviously is someone who might see you do it: the driver of the vehicle you're overtaking. Perhaps you like to take people by surprise? I don't.

[Ragingrob]

Nothing. That's why I'm very careful in this situation. But you're suggesting it's OK to overtake another vehicle and then, before completing the manoeuvre, slow down to turn right into a side street, meaning more time on the right hand side of the road and a strong temptation to cut the corner to get away from the vehicle you've just overtaken, which is about to overtake you back, or maybe run into you. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

I'm suggesting it's a possible action of someone who's overtaking, as a contradiction to Daffyd stating that it's so bloody obvious that the overtaker will pull back onto their side of the road.

More time on the right hand side of the road? If there's nothing coming

Cut the corner? Yep if there's nothing waiting to turn left then cutting the corner's a definite option. Not to get away from the vehicle I've just overtaken though... Why would they be about to overtake me back if I'm on the right side of the road? And why would they run into me?

Many a time if there's traffic behind me and nothing coming towards me I will use the other side of the road as a right hand turn lane so that cars can undertake me safely. They're more likely to hit me if I'm squeezed into the middle of the road and they try push past me at 70 or 100kph.

[Ragingrob]

In the case of overtaking, there obviously is someone who might see you do it: the driver of the vehicle you're overtaking. Perhaps you like to take people by surprise? I don't.

+1

If you don't bother indicating, maybe they wont either and they'll turn right into you while you're overtaking them, without indicating.

An indicator makes you that little more visible and that car may notice you'll be beside him in a sec.

[TimeOut]

There's a good question....

Who checks left before turning left onto a road? Just to make sure nobody's overtaking.

I try to have a quick glance sometimes, but not always... Would result in a terrible crash though!

I do after just about being taken out 3 times while overtaking.

Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.

As for indicating before overtaking I do if I have time

[Ragingrob]

I do after just about being taken out 3 times while overtaking.

Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.

As for indicating before overtaking I do if I have time

Hmmm yeah I'd presume the one turning left too ay. Most people I know just look left and pull out though! I think that's probably fine around town if you've at least directly in front of you is clear, it's usually on the country roads where I try take a good look left as well just to check.

[swbarnett]

Who checks left before turning left onto a road? Just to make sure nobody's overtaking.

I do this religiously. Otherwise you're not looking were you're going when you pull out.

Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.

The person overtaking has an obligation to ensure that they have sufficient visibility down the side road and to not overtake if there is a vehicle approaching the intersection from said side road.

[PrincessBandit]

Who else has the problem I do. ...
It is habit that I cant seem to get out of. I know that I'm aware of the problem.
I indicate when driving in the car, but on the bike its just a quick look in the mirror and gone,

Any habit can be broken and changed - all depends on how badly you want to do it.

i indercate about 5% of the time but the rest of the time im to busy passing car after car to care about it

How thoughtful of you.

Why do you need to indicate to overtake...??? I don't unless changing lanes...what is the point.

You are kidding me.....(damn, and i wasn't going to bite on that one, but it was too tempting!)

I don't see the problem in pushing a little button sideways just before overtaking. A flashing light in my mirror is more noticable than just a moving bike. Even if it just adds that extra bit more chance that someone sees you and therefore doesn't pull out into you.

I don't really like it when people don't indicate when turning or changing lanes or overtaking, no matter how supposedly 'obvious' it is to them what they're doing. A flashing indicator is more obvious than perceiving a change in speed.

With you all the way on that one. Just because we need to be mindreaders when on the road (seems to be one of the safest ways to keep your skin on) doesn't mean that everyone else can abuse our superior mental powers!!

Ofcourse, I mean seriously is there anyone here who has never ridden their bike over 100kph?

What on earth does that have to do with the price of fish?

How many of you non-indicators throw a wobbly when a car driver changes lane in front without indicating?

I know it's hard to believe but bikes can be overtaken, especially by other faster (read: stupider) bikers......

(for the record im with kinje, indicate over not back in)

first sentence - really says it all in terms of "treat others how you'd like to be treated in return".

I agree, I mean it's bloody obvious that you're going to go back into your own side of the road.

Not necessarily.....

Indicators were not designed for overtaking.

Crikey, well ya learn something new everyday. Thanks for enlightening me on that point!

I do this religiously. Otherwise you're not looking were you're going when you pull out.


The person overtaking has an obligation to ensure that they have sufficient visibility down the side road and to not overtake if there is a vehicle approaching the intersection from said side road.

Pretty much makes sense that if you want to stay in one piece looking everywhere is fairly important. Hell, I remember hitting the back of a car through a give way a few years back all because i was busy looking right, saw nothing coming from that way, went to follow aforementioned car in front round to the left (had checked they were moving first - glanced back to the right, moved off and...) they had decided to stop for no apparent reason. Helloooooo back bumper. My bad, and was a good reminder that all areas of the road and surrounding terrain need to be checked - not just the bits you think are obvious. I know that was a "following" example not an "overtaking" one, but the lessons are the same.

[Ragingrob]

I do this religiously. Otherwise you're not looking were you're going when you pull out.


The person overtaking has an obligation to ensure that they have sufficient visibility down the side road and to not overtake if there is a vehicle approaching the intersection from said side road.

Nice one! I just see so many people who look to the right and pull out and THEN look where they have started going... Bit too late then huh!

On your second point... You're saying that when you overtake, as well as 100m clear visibility ahead of you, you have to somehow see down side roads 50m ahead?

[Grahameeboy]

You are kidding me.....(damn, and i wasn't going to bite on that one, but it was too tempting!)

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Actually no....if you think about it indicating is to let others know what you are doing i.e. if you want to turn left, right at a junction, change lanes, move away....but on a 270kph motorbike with twin headlights on the Coro the guy in the car is gonna know you will overtake.

[Usarka]

Actually no....if you think about it indicating is to let others know what you are doing i.e. if you want to turn left, right at a junction, change lanes, move away....but on a 270kph motorbike with twin headlights on the Coro the guy in the car is gonna know you will overtake.

What about the guy passing you? Or will that never ever happen?

[nallac]

what are these indimacators you talk about?.

is that what the other switcheythingamabob on the clutch sides for?.....

[gammaguy]

Actually no....if you think about it indicating is to let others know what you are doing i.e. if you want to turn left, right at a junction, change lanes, move away....but on a 270kph motorbike with twin headlights on the Coro the guy in the car is gonna know you will overtake.

and like they say-assumption is the mother of all ^%#* ups.if you second guess the brain of a car driver who may not even register you are there let alone what you are doing or are intending on doing,you are asking for trouble and you will often be the loser.

by all means indicate your intentions,but be ready for the inevitable stupid manoeuvre on their part,like being "helpful"and moving over for you-and spraying you with gravel-yeah,real helpful
defensive riding courses save lives.

[Grahameeboy]

What about the guy passing you? Or will that never ever happen?

You know those things mirrors......