All those in favour of standard Superbikes?

[slowpoke]

So who can tell me why I should "undercut" my gears and "slot" my cam wheels if I had a pro twin ?

Slotting the cam wheels allows you to set the cam timing for maximum horsepower. It also allows you to make up for production variations. Ducati's (amongst others) are notorious for having horrendous variations in cam timing with a fairly simple cam timing procedure liberating a few more Italian ponies.

You could spend a bit of time on the dyno setting it for absolute maximum effect but realistically the information for best cam timing is readily available and costs bugger all except for a bit of time.

If I could buy myself a stock thou and go straight out and race Superbikes knowing that my lack of skill was the only thing stopping me from winning, I would.

Isn't it funny how people seem to find convenient excuses not to do something.

Go and watch a club meeting at Manfeild or Taupo and watch mega horsepower bikes, slick tyres and Ohlins up the wazoo get cleaned up by better riders on 600's with treaded tyres......or Glen Williams carving up most of the 600 field on his underpowered commuter bike.

Craig Shirriffs, Sam Smith, Jay Lawrence, Choppa, Johnny Burkhart and co have all been on the podium or won Superbike races on their 600's . They didn't give a toss about how many horsepower they were down, or whether the other bikes had fork cartridges or not, or how much theoretically faster the other bikes were, they just went out and raced, applying and improving their skills. The machine has fuck all to do with it.

Those who really want to race will....those who don't, won't.

[jrandom]

Isn't it funny how people seem to find convenient excuses not to do something.

I'm going to do it next summer regardless, mind you. I'll 'ave none of your 'convenient excuses' comebacks.

But first I'm going to do a summer series and a winter series of Clubmans, because I'm a fookin n00b and I need the practice.

Meh, I'm running out of steam for this argument, if Mr Shiriffs can win against trick bikes on a stock bike then so can I, right?



Fuckit, I'm done here, I'll come back and bleat some more on the subject in a year or two.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Go and watch a club meeting at Manfeild or Taupo and watch mega horsepower bikes, slick tyres and Ohlins up the wazoo get cleaned up by better riders on 600's with treaded tyres......or Glen Williams carving up most of the 600 field on his underpowered commuter bike.

Hey! Where's the mention of that cheeky young bugger on that 250GP bike. Im sure he did ok (in between falling off )

[Tony.OK]

Hey! Where's the mention of that cheeky young bugger on that 250GP bike. Im sure he did ok (in between falling off )

Shit I thought I had a mozzie in my helmet.........was that you

[slowpoke]

I'm going to do it next summer regardless, mind you. I'll 'ave none of your 'convenient excuses' comebacks.

But first I'm going to do a summer series and a winter series of Clubmans, because I'm a fookin n00b and I need the practice.

Meh, I'm running out of steam for this argument, if Mr Shiriffs can win against trick bikes on a stock bike then so can I, right?



Fuckit, I'm done here, I'll come back and bleat some more on the subject in a year or two.

Sorry mate, I didn't mean to come across so high and mighty; I'm neither, just another plodder having fun riding slow on a fast bike. Good onya for having a crack, although I reckon you'll soon see that at club level the bike spec doesn't have much to do with outright track performance (within reason). You'll be passing theoretically much faster bikes and vice versa wondering how someone on a slower bike seems to pull inexorably away. That's half the mystique of our sport, I reckon: there's always someone ready to show you that there's more in both you and the bike no matter how quick you feel you are going.

Do me a favour and take it easy when you go past me and at least make it look like you are tryin' hard would ya?

Hey! Where's the mention of that cheeky young bugger on that 250GP bike. Im sure he did ok (in between falling off )

Is he still around? I thought I swatted him into the bushes when he tried to lap me.......

[Robert Taylor]

Slotting the cam wheels allows you to set the cam timing for maximum horsepower. It also allows you to make up for production variations. Ducati's (amongst others) are notorious for having horrendous variations in cam timing with a fairly simple cam timing procedure liberating a few more Italian ponies.

You could spend a bit of time on the dyno setting it for absolute maximum effect but realistically the information for best cam timing is readily available and costs bugger all except for a bit of time.



Isn't it funny how people seem to find convenient excuses not to do something.

Go and watch a club meeting at Manfeild or Taupo and watch mega horsepower bikes, slick tyres and Ohlins up the wazoo get cleaned up by better riders on 600's with treaded tyres......or Glen Williams carving up most of the 600 field on his underpowered commuter bike.

Craig Shirriffs, Sam Smith, Jay Lawrence, Choppa, Johnny Burkhart and co have all been on the podium or won Superbike races on their 600's . They didn't give a toss about how many horsepower they were down, or whether the other bikes had fork cartridges or not, or how much theoretically faster the other bikes were, they just went out and raced, applying and improving their skills. The machine has fuck all to do with it.

Those who really want to race will....those who don't, won't.

Actually all the guys you mentioned had cartridges and twin tube shocks. Part of their speed differential is down to the equipment. Youve made some really good posts but dropped the ball on this one a little.
Glen Williams speed is very much down to him but its also due to 25mm fork cartridges and twin tube shock. Theres just no way he could go as fast with the stock sponge pudding gap fillers installed, FACT.

[slowpoke]

Actually all the guys you mentioned had cartridges and twin tube shocks. Part of their speed differential is down to the equipment. Youve made some really good posts but dropped the ball on this one a little.
Glen Williams speed is very much down to him but its also due to 25mm fork cartridges and twin tube shock. Theres just no way he could go as fast with the stock sponge pudding gap fillers installed, FACT.

No problem Robert. Sure some of the guys I mentioned were probably running top spec suspension but they were still competing against bikes with 40+ more horsepower and aftermarket suspension themselves, albeit maybe not to the same spec.

One of the best races I saw last season was when Choppa got the jump on his 600 at Taupo in the first round of the Vic Club winter series. He had a built a nice buffer when Carey Brier finally broke clear of the pack on his ex-Bernard R1. It was nailbiting watching him slowly being hauled in as the laps ticked down. If the race was half a lap shorter Choppa would have pinched it against one of the best bikes in the country and a very capable rider in Carey.

Same goes for most of the Manfeild racing, with a track that has three drag strips and a simple layout horsepower should count for a lot, no matter how highly developed the suspension is, yet the best riders still shine through on bikes against lesser riders with much more horsepower at their disposal.

Point taken though Robert, having followed some of the guns around (ok, tried to follow 'em) the extra corner speed from a well set up bike and rider combo means half the ensuing straight is consumed before you start to make any inroads (if at all) against lesser powered bikes.