dom post, pigs, a conspiracy?

[Sniper]

SOUNDS LIKE A QUALITY PAPER , THEY PROBABLY DECIDED TO PRINT THE TRUTH

For God's sake, could you shut up and offer a worthwhile opinion.

Sounds like the Dom are focusing on the bad points without really looking for the good points. Sounds like standard newspaper tactics

[Deano]

And good on him for actually looking into the matter and having some proof before going to the media.

As opposed to George Hawkins who comes across on TV as a complete moron.

[NC]

What a cock junkie

[marty]

the issue that marks raises is a good one, which has long been a bug bear of the gdb fraternity. the situation is, STU units provide a fixed hour contract to the TLA's (Territorial Local Authority), such as Hamilton City Council, Waipa District Council etc. this provides school education (KOS), intersection control, urban patrolling, parking enforcment, seat belt enforcement etc. the TLA's have some highway component, but only a small amount (maybe 25% for speed enforcment, but that will include all roads in the area, not just the highway), and another small amount (maybe 5%) for crash attendance (no money in attending crashes!). Highway patrol/CVIU receives funding from Transit to patrol the highways ONLY. transit doesn't care about feeders and side roads. ACC also contribute to the HP budget, primarily for trauma reduction. like the STU budget there is a small amount of crash and emergency attendance included in the HP budget, but most of it is for enforcment and proactive patrolling, not reactive crash attendance. if HP and STU attend all crashes and criminal jobs that came their way, they will blow their crash and non productive hours in a month, and be so far behind in their other deliveries that they just won't be able to make them up. that leaves the poor old GDB cops, who are not so strictly budgetised, to attend all crashes, deal with the deaths etc. there is no room in the HP and STU budget to deal with serious injuries and deaths, as it is not chargeable as a job code to their core business. the budget issue may sound like a *cop* out, but it is your (the public) tax dollars that are being spent by Transit/TLA/ACC etc, you have demanded that these 'services' are provided, and if HP/STU dealt with all the crashes, they would never be seen, nor would they meet their contractual obligations. (i know some would want that anyway....)

so yeah - ron marks is right, but there is a bigger picture. what he is saying is nothing new. it's been happening since the merger

[marty]

and yeah hawkins is a moron. you should see his collection of matchbox police cars....

[Midnight 82]

I dont really give a fuck what you think... I'm gettin sick of asking people to stop the name calling...
sin bin from here on in... for any name calling shit

Yep best thing that has been said so far Blakamin

[spudchucka]

As opposed to George Hawkins who comes across on TV as a complete moron.

Agreed, poor old George isn't the greatest but in his defence I believe his drooly looking face is the result of a stroke.

[spudchucka]

the budget issue may sound like a *cop* out, but it is your (the public) tax dollars that are being spent by Transit/TLA/ACC etc, you have demanded that these 'services' are provided, and if HP/STU dealt with all the crashes, they would never be seen, nor would they meet their contractual obligations. (i know some would want that anyway....)

so yeah - ron marks is right, but there is a bigger picture. what he is saying is nothing new. it's been happening since the merger

This brings me back to a point I was trying to make earlier, (might have been in another thread), about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies, lobby groups, the public etc.

This is an example of how outside influences can control policing outcomes and agendas through the holy dollar.

[Big Dave]

about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies.

Slightly skewed context, but the police are the 'instruments' of such agencies.
You enforce the laws created by a majority elected government and must be more than influenced by said govt. Not perfect, but that's democracy innit? The idea of a autonomous police force hints at fascism.

Unless of course you all decide to have 'fine free fridays for bikers' and start issuing 'get out of jail free' cards? I'd vote for that.

[Lou Girardin]

Police Commanders of the past (1970's and earlier) would have had a succinct reply to any politician suggesting that they 'contract' services to any other Govt department. But then they were real men, usually rising to their positions on their merits as cops, not on the basis of the degrees they've earned or pollies butts they've kissed.

[spudchucka]

Slightly skewed context, but the police are the 'instruments' of such agencies.
You enforce the laws created by a majority elected government and must be more than influenced by said govt. Not perfect, but that's democracy innit? The idea of a autonomous police force hints at fascism.

Unless of course you all decide to have 'fine free fridays for bikers' and start issuing 'get out of jail free' cards? I'd vote for that.

Sorry Dave but you are wrong. The police do not serve the Govt, they serve the people. They are however answerable to the Govt. There is a big difference.

[spudchucka]

Police Commanders of the past (1970's and earlier) would have had a succinct reply to any politician suggesting that they 'contract' services to any other Govt department. But then they were real men, usually rising to their positions on their merits as cops, not on the basis of the degrees they've earned or pollies butts they've kissed.

Then in 1991 there was a huge influx of former traffic cops and the arse kissing and brown nosing began as these snakes started slithering their way up the promotional ladder.

[scumdog]

Police Commanders of the past (1970's and earlier) would have had a succinct reply to any politician suggesting that they 'contract' services to any other Govt department. But then they were real men, usually rising to their positions on their merits as cops, not on the basis of the degrees they've earned or pollies butts they've kissed.

Ah! but in this modern enlightened age the "other Govt departments" will say "you will deliver XXXX or we wil cut your funding by XXXX and you will very likely lose XXXX staff since you won't be able to justify their presence"
And even your mythical real men buckle when it comes to this type of tactic.

Things have changed a whole lot Lou since I first went in in 1971, believe me.

[Big Dave]

Sorry Dave but you are wrong. The police do not serve the Govt, they serve the people. They are however answerable to the Govt. There is a big difference.

"you are wrong." - bugger, bloody coppers - hardly anybody, except the 'Warrior Missus' has the whatsits to tell me that!

But Ahaha! The government *is* the people!

Immigrant question: Do you have to make an oath? To whom?

bd

[Clockwork]

This brings me back to a point I was trying to make earlier, (might have been in another thread), about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies, lobby groups, the public etc.

This is an example of how outside influences can control policing outcomes and agendas through the holy dollar.

We might be getting somewhere here, Spud. This controling of the Police through budgets, how the hell did we ever get here!!! These people pulling the (purse) strings (LTSA/LTNZ ACC) are bearucrats!! . Nobody ever voted for these buggers but they'll go on pushing their bandwagon no matter who wins an election.