Which is the greater evil

**Fatjim** · 16th July 2006, 08:23

Would you rather elective abortion or dog fighting was illegal in NZ.

**Fatjim** · 16th July 2006, 08:26

Btw, this is not meant to take away from any of the thoughts posted under MM's thread on dogfighting.

**bobsmith** · 16th July 2006, 10:19

Dog fighting

- 2 reasons

1. Abortion is good (I reckon people should be able to "abort" children until they can talk)
2. I hate dogs - therefore I don't think dogs should be allowed to live full stop.

**Beemer** · 16th July 2006, 10:21

Would hate to be put in the situation of ever requiring an abortion but I believe it should be legally available. Not as a method of contraception, which many people use it as, but for instances where a woman's physical or mental health would be at risk if the pregnancy continued, and definitely in cases of rape or abuse.

Dog fighting is deliberate harm - I for one fail to see the parallel with abortion, it's not like anyone is pitting two foetuses against each other.

**Indiana_Jones** · 16th July 2006, 10:53

I'm pro choice so I'm gonna have to go with the dog fighting being the more evil

-Indy

**kickingzebra** · 16th July 2006, 11:05

Hard to compare:
Dog fighting, and glorification of violence in general, is the sign of a society on the verge of a downhill spiral, however, abortion is very similiar;

When actions bear no responsibility, society is hardly going to climb the heights of human endeavour.
While I can see the grounds for legitimate abortions, a 14 year old who is taught all the ins and outs of sex (pun intended) but is not given any moral education, is hardly an ideal candidate for an abortion after she has gone sex mad.

We teach people that consequences for actions can be taken away, then those people will start undertaking worse and worse moral positions (hence actions), leading to the (eventual) downfall of civilisation again.

Teach responsibility, teach consequences, I am not saying do away with abortion altogether, as sometimes it cannot be helped (rape in some circumstances, certain medical conditions) But as a last resort.

Making something illegal however does not address the root cause.

I believe both these examples can be taken back to a lack of moral fibre in our society. Fix this, the other problems will be short lived.
Of course, short lived in this context is talking about 2 to 3 generations, not two to three years....

**yungatart** · 16th July 2006, 11:15

Originally Posted by HONKEEE

set teh dogs onto the fetuses!

That is just sick!

**Colapop** · 16th July 2006, 11:23

Where's the "Jim eating too many pies option"??

I'm pro-choice (that's educated choice). At this point I'd like to go into a longwindd rant about my reasons and all that shit - but I'm not going to.

**RiderInBlack** · 16th July 2006, 11:51

Gezz, Dover riding came a close 2nd for me

, but I feel strongly about organised Dog fights. The arseholes that want ta see dog fights should be put in a ring ta fight with each other instead of the dogs.

As for Abortion. Women having to make that choice have enough worries without anybody else jumping in and telling them what they should do

**Skyryder** · 16th July 2006, 12:35

You can not make a comparison between the two. Both examples require a consenus that both are evel. There are some in our society who no doubt agree that both examples are evel. I just don't happen to be one of them.

As a male I just don't believe that I have the right to pass judgment on what is a both a personal and female issue.................and I will not class abortion as an evil act on these grounds.

Skyryder

**blacksheep** · 16th July 2006, 12:40

Originally Posted by Beemer

Would hate to be put in the situation of ever requiring an abortion but I believe it should be legally available. Not as a method of contraception, which many people use it as, but for instances where a woman's physical or mental health would be at risk if the pregnancy continued, and definitely in cases of rape or abuse.

Dog fighting is deliberate harm - I for one fail to see the parallel with abortion, it's not like anyone is pitting two foetuses against each other.

couldn,t agree with you more there

**jazbug5** · 16th July 2006, 12:43

Originally Posted by kickingzebra

... after she has gone sex mad.

Whoa!

So the 14 year old gets herself pregnant because she is sex mad. All on her own.
Ok, then.

Gah.

**Kornholio** · 16th July 2006, 13:08

What a fucked up thread..........

**kickingzebra** · 16th July 2006, 13:10

The discussion is on abortion, If you want to go into the responsibility of the male, thats fine too. Ultimately though, the woman is responsible for her own body, and what she does with it, as is the man. The only problem is the woman is the one stuck with the effects of an ill informed/thought out decision.

It seems to me that people are growing physically mature younger and younger, and yet emotionally mature later and later.

This is bollocks, and feeding the line that it is their choice as to what they do, and that their history is responsible for making them the people they are, is an utter cop out.

People need to learn to take responsibility for their own actions, and even better, to think things through before they do them. This applies equally to a 14 year old girl having sex with whatever aged male, the male of whatever age having sex with her, the kids throwing stones at dogs, and the people who own the fighting dogs (breed irrelevant).

People in general need to grow up.