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Thread: ESE's works engine tuner

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    Toilet or fry pan I couldn't care.
    You don't need to explain it, I was there. I saw him go down, I saw him choose not to come in, I saw you guys hand him the trophy. You called it wrong, he should have been black flagged.
    Its supposed to be one rule for all Steve. Bad call, very bad call.
    If you saw him clearly go down why did YOU not report that to an official? We were unsure of the situation and had to have faith that the rider did the right thing. It is after all a riders prerogative to re-enter for a check and should not require a black flag. As the laps progressed several people questioned the situation but it was still unclear so we allowed him to ride on with a view to a penalty IF at the end of the race it was clear that the bike had gone down. In our view if he had not gone down and we called him in that would have been a lot worse for us. Initially we discussed a penalty of 30 seconds, the steward encouraged a penalty of 20. We had both riders reps, Nathaniel and Dave, 4 race officials and the steward present to discuss the situation and apply the penalty. No situation like this is easy to make a decision on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSR143 View Post
    If you saw him clearly go down why did YOU not report that to an official? We were unsure of the situation and had to have faith that the rider did the right thing. It is after all a riders prerogative to re-enter for a check and should not require a black flag. As the laps progressed several people questioned the situation but it was still unclear so we allowed him to ride on with a view to a penalty IF at the end of the race it was clear that the bike had gone down. In our view if he had not gone down and we called him in that would have been a lot worse for us. Initially we discussed a penalty of 30 seconds, the steward encouraged a penalty of 20. We had both riders reps, Nathaniel and Dave, 4 race officials and the steward present to discuss the situation and apply the penalty. No situation like this is easy to make a decision on.
    This is the wrong thread for this guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    This is the wrong thread for this guys.
    So I've started one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twotempi View Post
    The door opened both ways when you had the use of one of the bikes !!
    Well spotted James. I stand corrected: the door does sometimes work both ways! Was thinking rather more in relation to Yamahas...

    Bring more bikes out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbastd View Post
    Well spotted James. I stand corrected: the door does sometimes work both ways! Was thinking rather more in relation to Yamahas...

    Bring more bikes out!
    Up to now there was little point as 125's and 250's got lumped in with the 1300 Mac trucks.

    But now the Classic Club is running a "Group 3" which is 72 Juniors, 72 & 82 250's, and 72 & 82 125's which are a lot more compatible.

    Had 25 on the grid at the festival ( more than the 89/82 Seniors and 89/82 Juniors combined !! ) with more people interested so expect this number to increase.

    And yes, the Yamahas will be there next year.

    Also some buckets may be eligible and would be most welcome.

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    Excellent. Good effort. Encouraging. Will get the TA sorted then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twotempi View Post
    The Classic Club is running a "Group 3" which is 72 Juniors, 72 & 82 250's, and 72 & 82 125's. Also some buckets may be eligible and would be most welcome.
    What would the fuel rules be? any possibilities for 2T Buckets and methanol? ....

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    Fuel rules are Race/Avgas petrol ( NO nitromethane Robert !!!! ) however methanol may be used for the following classes

    1) Pre 72 and pre 82 Four-stroke

    2) Pre 72 Two-stroke


    If you have pre 82 two-stroke you are stuck with petrol.

    Later than 82 would fall into the pre 89 group and I doubt it would be worth considering going there .

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    Rules often seem to be a bit anti about fuel additives. . . such as premix oil if taken as written.
    Don't you look at my accountant.
    He's the only one I've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Rules often seem to be a bit anti about fuel additives. . . such as premix oil if taken as written.
    Thankfully that rule in Miniature RR that prohibited Alcohol and Fuel additives has now disappeared, so you can use all the normally available pump fuels that you can buy at your local petrol station including E10 and Av Gas and also pre mix your oil legally too, makes things much easier. The properties of Leaded and Un Leaded fuel is defined in appendix E and Methanol is specifically banned in the general fuel regulations for most classes of racing including this one and Nitro is specifically banned for all classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frits Overmars View Post
    Do I mind a bit of peer review? Not at all.
    Did I miss your post? No.
    Am I interested? Yes.
    Can I find the time to discuss the subject? Alas; the racing season has broken out....
    I noticed, Qatar was a cracker.

    Oh well I won't hold my breath on a discussion. except to say
    Error 1: Your 180 deg out on TDC and BDC
    Error 2: TBA on further details


    Happy racing season everyone!!

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    [QUOTE=Dutch Fisher;1130847802]Oh well I won't hold my breath on a discussion. except to say
    Error 1: Your 180 deg out on TDC and BDC
    Error 2: TBA on further details
    QUOTE]

    DF. I just must be too old and too dumb, but where in the hell are you coming from? Actually I don't want an explanation at all, all I want is positive & constructive dialogue.
    "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.”

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    [QUOTE=ken seeber;1130847859]
    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Fisher View Post
    Oh well I won't hold my breath on a discussion. except to say
    Error 1: Your 180 deg out on TDC and BDC
    Error 2: TBA on further details
    QUOTE]

    DF. I just must be too old and too dumb, but where in the hell are you coming from? Actually I don't want an explanation at all, all I want is positive & constructive dialogue.
    I think he is Ken.
    Pretty sure he is refering to a paper Frits did
    I think what the Fisher is suggesting is there is a typo.
    Also that he too enjoyed the racing and understands Frits may not have the time at the moment for open dialogue.
    Just my thoughts. I don't see it as sarcasm anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ken seeber View Post

    DF. I just must be too old and too dumb,
    No, I doubt that

    Quote Originally Posted by ken seeber View Post
    Actually I don't want an explanation at all
    Sorry, your about to get one

    Quote Originally Posted by ken seeber View Post
    all I want is positive & constructive dialogue.
    This is!

    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Pretty sure he is refering to a paper Frits did
    Nope, purely the posted computer produced graphics pic

    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    I think what the Fisher is suggesting is there is a typo.
    Not a typo, a calculation error

    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Also that he too enjoyed the racing and understands Frits may not have the time at the moment for open dialogue.
    Love racing. don't we all and correct

    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    I don't see it as sarcasm anyway.
    Not today, come back tomorrow

    Here the explanation: Frits has calculated the inertia with variables and values and some mathematics. Looks like the details he has on the RSA125. However there is an error in a sum regarding the trace line vs engine degrees.
    The second error is the use of a variable incorrectly applied. I'm 99.8% which one it is, but without the variables and values. I won't be 100%.

    How did i get to this result by just looking at a graph : Pattern Recognition (google it and fry your noggin)

    Happy Easter everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Fisher View Post
    Oh well I won't hold my breath on a discussion. except to say
    Error 1: Your 180 deg out on TDC and BDC
    Error 2: TBA on further details
    Mr Dutch Fisher, sounds like you know a thing or two, it would be nice to see you post some of your own work.

    We have learnt a lot from Frits and his posts/pictures and hope you can contribute to that too, probably needs to be presented in simple terms for us with pictures of your own work to illustrate your point ....

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