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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannem View Post
    Jumping out of the Ryger discussion back to regular 2-strokes:

    What could be achieved, If you could run properly timed (relative to trasfers) much smaller than norm exhaust port with massive mass flow capability, but would lose the pipe supercharging? Effectively you could expel all the exhaust, keep things cool and pull a vacuum to the cylinder with late transfer opening and more area available for transfers.

    A bit like FOS engine without pipe effect and blowdown limitation, very little heat and charge contamination?

    With reciprocating exhaust slide valve you could run also very straight and non-directional, efficient, transfer ports. Could use the 24/7 reed for intake to get it started.

    Lot of torque down low, linear response, rev it to the moon, good efficiency, lean mixtures without heat issues, simple structure and after reading about it in the internet -public domain.
    I once tried the 50cc Bultaco without exhaust pipe.
    Power went down from 17Hp to 2,5 Hp.
    Later I did the same at Aprilia.
    Power loss was only 36HP....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Moore View Post
    Ken, do you folks down under use the expression "don't buy a pig in a poke?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke

    it seems to apply here.

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    If you were right Michael, than I got never be interested in the past and would not spend one word about Ryger.
    Read well how and why I get involved. https://www.facebook.com/notes/luc-f...7485252128532/

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucf View Post
    If you were right Michael, than I got never be interested in the past and would not spend one word about Ryger.
    Read well how and why I get involved. https://www.facebook.com/notes/luc-f...7485252128532/
    Luc especially ironic considering my own spelling, but, Maybe try copying that FB page into MS word and turn on the english option (this is not a dig btw)
    I realise English is not your first language. but it might be a bit better polished as below.

    Developing a Ryger
    Is Ryger a fairy tale? With those phenomenal properties it may look like it and however some people does call it that way, it is certainly not. Initially it was Mr. Hendrick Gerrits had not meant to design an engine with more power, but to make a clean 2 stroke which should make the 2 stroke engine more important again. At that time I was looking for more power and therefore initially less interested, but along the way that changed when also Hendrick himself was pleasantly surprised by the high power including the corresponding speeds. At that time it was still the question of where all that power came from, until you are seriously searching for an explanation. We from Ryger told everything we have experienced in the past and of which we became enthusiastic to tell around. May be we better should not have done this, because many people won’t believe this, which we fully can understand.
    The reason why it took so much time to get the production ready for an engine, which we can guarantee for 100% is:
    1. We do not have a 100-man department for development behind us, like Aprilia or Honda does have.
    2. It is also not a development of an existing two stroke engine, but a completely new designed principle. This makes it much more complicated, than a simple development, on what many other technicians have prepared for you in many years before your time.
    3. And we can’t spend more hours than we have done till so far over the years. So of course this took some time, and afterwards more than we could imagine, for which we are very sorry !
    At this moment, there is no reason, not to be proud of the result we have achieved till so far. Now that we are going to answer all the wishes of the opponents one by one, the strong wind from several people will go down. And with so much strong winds of the most famous two stroke experts, the result will only be more beautiful for Ryger. For there will be a time, they will have to acknowledge that they are totally wrong.
    In the meanwhile, we are continuing to highlight parts of the Ryger publication that will be very surprising to most. I've already mentioned (on forums), the for a two stroke strange interdependency of the exhaust pipe and the temperature (physics as I told before) of which both items I will come back later. First I will start with:
    The connecting rod
    The start with the connecting rod length is because it is labeled by the experts as the most impossible good detail. Extremely high lateral forces, which will be impossible to use! Yes for sure in a normal twostroke I agree, but Ryger is not a normal two stroke, so I disagree for a Ryger engine. The reality for a Ryger is completely reversed, the shorter the conrod, the greater the piston acceleration and the better the Ryger principle works. Longer conrods have been tested, but the result got worse.
    Lateral forces
    The disadvantage of a short conrod, such as the lateral force is rising. Ignoring an offset piston pin the highest forces for the Aprilia with a 120 mm conrod are at 26° atdc and are about 1796 Nm or 183 kg. For the Ryger with a 90 mm conrod by the same pressure it is 2404 Nm or 245 kg, so 34% higher.

    Special Ryger influences
    In a normal 2 stroke the lubrication is mixed in the fuel and because less lubrication is better for the 2 stroke process, all bearings under the piston are lubricated very minimal. So when the engine has to made maximum power like in a racing engine, the bearings in the conrod has a real short life. This is one of the most important differences with a Ryger were those bearings last much longer. And also the higher lateral forces are much less serious in a Ryger engine due to by far much better lubrication.
    1. Because the crankshaft is rotating in oil and spread out this to the downside of the piston and cylinder wall. The lubricating looks more like a 4 stroke engine.
    2. Beside the Ryger has no tilting effect of the piston, it has been eliminated for almost 100%. That is why the lateral forces are far much better divided over the surface of the upper and downside of the piston.
    End conclusion
    In a Ryger a short conrod is the best solution and is certainly not what is told by the experts ‘ridiculous and totally impossible’. In fact it is more full the opposite situation. Despite the short conrod, this part will show significantly less wear in a Ryger in comparing with a soon old-fashioned 2 stroke !
    Next chapter ‘the piston’ to be continued !



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    Ryger engine patent
    EP3128149 A1
    https://www.google.com/patents/EP3128149A1?cl=it

    https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publ...A1&KC=A1&FT=D#
    as frits and Norman have already posted



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    Ken, have you not been paying attention? He never ever ever finishes anything ever.

    I bet his wife spends most of her life scraping plates of unfinished meals.
    Don't you look at my accountant.
    He's the only one I've got.

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    Mr Husaberg, or what ever your name is? you don't have any respect for the personal privacy?
    Is not it a right to everyone to be free to write under a nickname? which the most of us does !

    So delete those names, because I will stop my futher introduction about Ryger.
    This does not count for you only but also for Peter1962 and anyone else who make this infringement.


    And I don't blame myself that my English is not my best language, but as long as anyone understand what I mean, this is full unimportant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucf View Post
    Mr Husaberg, or what ever your name is? you don't have any respect for the personal privacy?
    Is not it a right to everyone to be free to write under a nickname? which the most of us does !

    So delete those names, because I will stop my futher introduction about Ryger.
    This does not count for you only but also for anyone else who make this infringement.


    And I don't blame myself that my English is not my best language, but as long as anyone understand what I mean, this is full unimportant!
    What privacy, its a publicly available documents including trademark applications
    In-fact it you have posted his name yourself on ocassions on other forums, Or did you forget you had done that that?
    You post with terms such as Mr Ryger when this name is a fable, a fairy tale, if you don't not want his name to be used, simple stop refering to MR ryger as being a real person. you could instead refer to him as the unamed original creator of the ryger concept ,but you consistantly choose not to.
    If you want me to delete the name you could ask politely, then i will then do so, that is the adult way rather than attempt to threaten people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lucf View Post
    Mr Husaberg, or what ever your name is? you don't have any respect for the personal privacy?
    Is not it a right to everyone to be free to write under a nickname? which the most of us does !

    So delete those names, because I will stop my futher introduction about Ryger.
    This does not count for you only but also for Peter1962 and anyone else who make this infringement.


    And I don't blame myself that my English is not my best language, but as long as anyone understand what I mean, this is full unimportant!
    The shit is already on the internet ya faggot.
    Plus, most people couldn't really care less about it.
    How does one apply to become an Internet Policeman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    What privacy, its a publicly available document.
    In-fact it was only a couple of days ago you posted his name yourself, did you forget you had done that that.
    You post with terms such as Mr Ryger when that is a fable, a fairy tale, if you don't not want his name to be used stop refering to MR ryger as being a real person. you could instead refer to him as the original creator of the ryger concept ,but you choose not to.
    If you want me to delete the name you should ask politely, then i will then do so, that is the adult way rather than attempt to threaten people.

    The polite way I did before, but when no answers are coming the only way is to do it in public.
    And you are in violation of a legal right. Talking about polite questions spoken ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucf View Post

    The polite way I did before, but when no answers are coming the only way is to do it in public.
    What polite request ?you have never made one single previous request to me for anything at all, as for answers you have never asked me a single question.
    So i am quite confused as to what you are taking about?



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    The climate remains hostile and this does not seem to end.
    In addition, no one here seems to provide polite personal privacy.
    So I finally decided to quit, and my decision is now final.
    But I guarantee you regret it, because there was still much to be said about what's happening in a Ryger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken seeber View Post
    Instead of all this frustrating & “getting us nowhere banter”, why don’t we all just put in, say $20 each, and buy an engine. Then give it to Wobbly to test. When it’s all over, irrespective of the outcome, put it into the Christchurch museum next to the Britten with a placard saying “????????”

    I vote Husa as #1 coordinator, seems a trustworthy dude ...maybe a Gofundme page?
    yep... even if he blows the money on beer.. i can live with $20 for enlightenment

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    Quote Originally Posted by katinas View Post
    At the moment I can not say anything about the engine power characteristic and reliability, only passion as soon as possible to start the engine and to hear is it.
    Quote Originally Posted by katinas View Post
    Started it yesterday and revs like, like crazy chainsaw.
    Quote Originally Posted by katinas View Post
    One thing about Ryger engine, which might have been expected, and it has proved after first static test, it is very low mechanical noise. Very lovely.
    Quote Originally Posted by katinas View Post
    Thank you, youtube - Rygerised ..... https://youtu.be/OnLMIMiXoR8

    This, pipe header on video, from Ns 400 3 cylinder, is too long and last time I rode ns 400 two years ago, max power around 10000 rpm. Carburetor and ignition not tested anywhere, so this video only to hear whether it works or not.

    Before the test, I was thinking that the engine will fail after 10s, but not. So now, I want only ride and feel what it is (with proper header) , before engine fail.
    I like Katinas approach and the way he has shown us what he has been doing with his Ryger like engine. With Lucf quitting the thread in a huff, I probably won't miss the endless evangelical and pointless talk about the Ryger cart engine but I do hope he will be back someday because we love it when people are real about what they are doing.

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    I`m with you Nigel, must be worth $20 each to get an engine for Wob to analyse, great idea Ken, stops the propaganda in one hit!

    Trevor

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