ESE's works engine tuner

[Buckets4Me]

IMO the biggest thing that limits MOST of the 125 aircoolers is the crap chassis guys are using. Not to point the finger but a prize example of this is TZ350's bike (sorry mate). He has most likely the best 125 aircooled motor and is running it in the heavy (and shitty, sorry again) GP chassis. If that bike was 20kg lighter and more (rs125) racey...

so the fzr250 delta box chassie and spoked wheels at 80kg is to heavy ???

chambers bike but much the same

[jasonu]

so the fzr250 delta box chassie and spoked wheels at 80kg is to heavy ???

chambers bike but much the same

I did use the word 'MOST' in my statement and have since reworded it.

[bucketracer]

Personally I was a bit disappointed to hear the carb restriction was being lifted...........but because I don't like seeing rule changes that aren't needed.

It might be, that because TeeZee is so good at getting air flow through his carbs, not only the sleeved one but his special one that's 24mm at the original slide position that they are leveling the playing field for other 125 builders by allowing them an easy way to keep up with TeeZee's efforts.

Or you could of course just ban any carb modified/made by TeeZee and forbid him to exercise any cleverness .........

[jasonu]

It might be, that because TeeZee is so good at getting air flow through his carbs, not only the sleeved one but his special one that's 24mm at the original slide position that they are leveling the playing field for other 125 builders by allowing them an easy way to keep up with TeeZee's efforts.
Or you could of course just ban any carb modified/made by TeeZee and forbid him to exercise any cleverness .........

But that is the whole point. TZ has proved good power can be made under the presant rules so therefore so can other tuners. The rule doesn't need to be changed.


Only modifications made by anyone that are outside of the rules should be banned/protested. TZ has been clever enough to make his mods work within the rules.

[Henk]

I liked the MB100 with his JCR stickers on it, Dave Manuel was it?

Yep

I'm curious to see what the result of the rumoured rule changes is. Things seem to work ok at the moment. The carb change to 125 air cooled bikes probaly won't make a huge difference to the way things stand at the moment, at the front you need a fast bike and a fast rider, there is nothing I can see that will change this unless something comes about that makes the majority of bikes obsolete overnight (such as MX motors).
The reason Diesels are so popular right now is that they are easily available and cheap to put together, I'm sure that if there was either a 125AC or 100LC that was out there in numbers on the second hand market, at about 10 years old the grids would be packed with them instead of FXRs.

[TZ350]

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If there is one thing I have learnt, its that, the right sort of HP helps but by itself it does not win races no matter how much you have .....

[richban]

. If there is one thing I have learnt, its that, the right sort of HP helps but by itself it does not win races no matter how much you have .....

True that.

To Mikes point you can easily see both Andrew and I have the legs on fish so how can he win so much. Skill!.

To what Wobbly said. The first time I raced the GP Kev was there and he asked me what the 2 stroke rules were. I told him and he said then why aren't they pasting you .... He new straight away there was an advantage in the rules for a well developed or half developed 2 stoke as wobbly an expert has confirmed. The fastest lightest "bikes" with the most HP are 2 strokes end of story. And as wobbly has mentioned if you sent the best base engine you could find to Kev with and open cheque book and did the same to wobbly. Wobbly would win with the current rules.

[kel]

True that.

And as wobbly has mentioned if you sent the best base engine you could find to Kev with and open cheque book and did the same to wobbly.

Ah now thats bucket racing - wheres the cheque book?

[jasonu]

I hope the MNZ read this piece of TZees (excellent, best one on KB by far) thread BEFORE makeing any decisions re. the carb rule.

[koba]

I hope Mike isn't sitting there giggling at a successful windup

[speedpro]

I've checked the MNZ website for contact details for the Road Race Commissioners and called them. I only got through to one and he was aware of the proposed change and was happy to listen to my view of the change. I encourage others to put their view forward as well. The commissioners and others are due to discuss the proposal and then make a decision. Generally it doesn't sound like they will be getting advice from people such as Wobbly but rely on people calling in.

So do it!

[Buckets4Me]

But that is the whole point. TZ has proved good power can be made under the presant rules so therefore so can other tuners. The rule doesn't need to be changed.


Only modifications made by anyone that are outside of the rules should be banned/protested. TZ has been clever enough to make his mods work within the rules.

I think that the rule change was started some time ago
before TZ350 got any sort of power out of his bike

[koba]

I've checked the MNZ website for contact details for the Road Race Commissioners and called them. I only got through to one and he was aware of the proposed change and was happy to listen to my view of the change. I encourage others to put their view forward as well. The commissioners and others are due to discuss the proposal and then make a decision. Generally it doesn't sound like they will be getting advice from people such as Wobbly but rely on people calling in.

So do it!

That's shit as that the website says nothing!

[koba]

Hell, I stand to benefit from such a rule change yet I still don't want it!

[speedpro]

Hell, I stand to benefit from such a rule change yet I still don't want it!

Call then. To make it simpler here are the two to phone. I spoke to Neil.

Road Race Commission Chairman Peter Ramage 09 443 3111 a/h
Road Race Commission Neil Smith 03 5786208 a/h