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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    Dont be a big girls blouse - the FXR with 48.8 stroke should be at 13000 all day, its well under 4500 ft/min and the pressure fed big ends are way less prone to cage skidding causing failure..
    Christ the 450 singles are reliable to 12500, after that it gets horrible real fast.
    OK 13 sounds good. Now if you could just join forces with Kev again and design an exhaust cam head package to see off some of them 2 strokes you have been building.

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    Get Kev to fill in the inputs needed for my header design program I gave him a while ago, easy to make a screamer if the FXR hardware is able to be "fixed" properly.
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    Ive got a thing thats unique and new.To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you.Cause instead of one head I got two.And you know two heads are better than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    Get Kev to fill in the inputs needed for my header design program I gave him a while ago, easy to make a screamer if the FXR hardware is able to be "fixed" properly.
    Sweet will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    Get Kev to fill in the inputs needed for my header design program I gave him a while ago, easy to make a screamer if the FXR hardware is able to be "fixed" properly.
    There's something wrong with your attachment, I can't enter any data into the fields

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    Could this work

    Apart from looking cool and probably costing a lot I would like to see if these things work. The bit on the bell not the carb. I might try making one.
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    Faw...rk ...........a 25hp 4-stroker with a long liner power spread, now what am I going to do?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
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    Faw...rk ...........a 25hp 4-stroker with a long liner power spread, now what am I going to do?????
    Buy an FXR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richban View Post
    Apart from looking cool and probably costing a lot I would like to see if these things work. The bit on the bell not the carb. I might try making one.
    Thats so hot, hate to think what it costs.
    I have a couple to try this weekend admitable not yoshi quality but nice 25 and 50mm bells/stacks what ever you want to call them. Also have some to sell if anyones interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    Thats so hot, hate to think what it costs.
    I have a couple to try this weekend admitable not yoshi quality but nice 25 and 50mm bells/stacks what ever you want to call them. Also have some to sell if anyones interested.

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    I did some testing with some that look the same last year at manfield. I was surprised how noticeable the lenght change was. Ended up sticking with the short one. Was easy on the big open straights on full noise.

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    You have to print the attachment and fill it in, scan and send to me.
    Ive got a thing thats unique and new.To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you.Cause instead of one head I got two.And you know two heads are better than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richban View Post
    Apart from looking cool and probably costing a lot I would like to see if these things work. The bit on the bell not the carb. I might try making one.
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    I am not sure how this is supposed to work, a venturi ejector maybe. But if there is a tuned length aspect to it then one could have two or more different lengths that swing into place and a controller like the IgnTech could position the different lengths in front of the bellmouth according to the rpm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
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    I am not sure how this is supposed to work, but if there is a tuned length aspect to it then one could have two or more different lengths that swing into place and a controller like the IgnTech could position the different lengths in front of the bellmouth according to the rpm.
    Or maybe in the case of the pic the different behavior of the air at different revs takes care of the transition.

    I know that doesn't really make sense but its the best way I can put what I'm thinking.
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    Some more RSA125 development info from Jan Thiel

    "No pressure transducers were ever used in our engine development.
    And time/aerea was never calculated.
    The port timings remained practically the same during 15 years!
    What we did was trying different angles and radiuses, mainly on
    the transfer ducts. I think we tried 40 different types of transfer ducts
    that did not chanche the time/aerea. It was all about in which direction
    the charge entered the cilinder and how the tranfer streams influenced upon
    each other! Also about 200 different exhaust pipes were tried. After 2004
    nothing much was changed but we improved with different power jet and
    ignition mapping. It seemed nearly impossible to improve the transfer ducts
    any more. The exhaust ducts were CNC machined, using different programs,
    mainly to reduce exhaust duct volume. Also about 100 head designs were tried"

    Didnt calculate time area? Im guessing that means the time area requirement hasnt changed any in the last 15+ years.
    So there you go its all about the transfer ducts, now where have I heard that before?
    Check out the attached photos, I guess the idea of thinning the transfer duct bridge has gone out the window, and the exhaust duct hows that for a crazy shape


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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    Some more RSA125 development info from Jan Thiel

    "No pressure transducers were ever used in our engine development.
    And time/aerea was never calculated.
    The port timings remained practically the same during 15 years!
    What we did was trying different angles and radiuses, mainly on
    the transfer ducts. I think we tried 40 different types of transfer ducts
    that did not chanche the time/aerea. It was all about in which direction
    the charge entered the cilinder and how the tranfer streams influenced upon
    each other! Also about 200 different exhaust pipes were tried. After 2004
    nothing much was changed but we improved with different power jet and
    ignition mapping. It seemed nearly impossible to improve the transfer ducts
    any more. The exhaust ducts were CNC machined, using different programs,
    mainly to reduce exhaust duct volume. Also about 100 head designs were tried"

    Didnt calculate time area? Im guessing that means the time area requirement hasnt changed any in the last 15+ years.
    So there you go its all about the transfer ducts, now where have I heard that before?
    Check out the attached photos, I guess the idea of thinning the transfer duct bridge has gone out the window, and the exhaust duct hows that for a crazy shape


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    Very Interesting Pics!
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    Ok this is where I am at now........

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    Ran the tripple Ex port up. Blue Line. Red line is my old single Ex port.

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    Clutch slip at about 12.5 and timing and carburation all wrong.

    I am looking forward to seeing what it looks like when everything is setup and dialed in properly.

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