ESE's works engine tuner

[Buckets4Me]

Look at the rules again its motors and transmission parts
Not motor and transmission parts
The devil is in the detail..

so you mean to tell me I can't use an rs125 motor but I can use the parts within the motor

and i can use an rs gearbox but not the parts within ?


and I thought our moded 24mm carbs where iffy
Talk about pushing the rules

[speedpro]

The other thing is that standard Honda MB/H100 cranks are good for 14,000rpm all day for around 6 years of regular bucket racing at Ohakea, Manfeild, and Taupo. There is absolutely no need to use anything except genuine Honda MB/H100 crank parts. The ONLY reason I don't is because Wobbly made me, he's very convincing.

[husaberg]

My rod and little end and big end bearings came out of a catalogue which Pete Sales has.

Is your rod and bearing designed for a competion engine?

I'd hate for anyone to make hypocritical statements Mike
I believe dave came up with the for competition engine bit on your own accord

Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
Perhaps refresh yourself with the rules on MNZ site. Parts are parts. If they come from competition engines then they aren't legal. Exception for pistons, ign, carb pipe.
So if one found a source of bearings that weren't specifically for a comp engine then that should be ok.

Does that mean dave is saying your cheating to

[Buckets4Me]

Is your rod and bearing designed for a competion engine?

bucket racing is not competion





ITS WAR

[husaberg]

and i can use an rs gearbox but not the parts within ?

no the gearbox contain competion tranmission parts these are clearly defined as not legal

[TZ350]

Maybe you should seek clarification regarding the rule from the MNZ if you want.

Getting clarification on a rule is harder than you think.

Over the last few months I have written three times to MNZ regarding clarification of the 24mm carb rule without any outcome, or even an acknowledgement, and yes I did phone the office to check they had receved them.

At the last Mt Welly meeting JC talked with the Road Race Commisioner about clarification of the carb rule so lets hope something comes of that.

[husaberg]

Getting clarification on a rule is harder than you think, I wrote three times to MNZ regarding clarification of the 24mm carb rule, and even had JC chase it for me but no reply yet.

Sorry for hijacking your thread TZ
But I love a good crap fight hows the engine work going have you considered a mvx250 carb 24mm flat slide I think 3 for $80
Also with you carbs I seem to remember something with disk valve engines needing different emulsion tubes in bells book like a 4 stroke just an idea but I don't think they are replaceable on Keihins are they.

[speedpro]

I don't cheat. There is no satisfaction building a great engine with cheater parts. I haven't "interpreted" the rules to fit a part.
"Technically" if you were to fit a washer from a CR gearbox it would be cheating. Some CR80 gearboxes do fit evidently and have slightly different ratios. Some minor parts could overcome a deficiency allowing an advantage. The rules are written, and generally interpreted, to more or less balance things out.

[husaberg]

I don't cheat. There is no satisfaction building a great engine with cheater parts. I haven't "interpreted" the rules to fit a part.
"Technically" if you were to fit a washer from a CR gearbox it would be cheating. Some CR80 gearboxes do fit evidently and have slightly different ratios. Some minor parts could overcome a deficiency allowing an advantage. The rules are written, and generally interpreted, to more or less balance things out.

Answer the question Mike is you rod and big end crankpin etc designed for a competition motor if they are
Dave says you are cheating not me .
I think you are using the rules as they are written to say you don't interpret the rules is weird did you build your engine without looking at the rule book your game if you did how did you know the engine size then?

[husaberg]

Always sad to see people thinking they can interpret the rules differently to try and gain an advantage. Then when its pointed out to them, they start mentioning the "spirit of buckets" etc etc.

Its always sad to see hipocrocy you are not calling speedpro a cheat are you so whats the diference .

[husaberg]

My rod and little end and big end bearings came out of a catalogue which Pete Sales has. None of the parts in my engines are illegal. For the record I am using a Yamaha KT100 kart piston which is fine as pistons are open.

I hope you are not using Kt100 Gudgeon pins and circlips or shit not kt100 rings too,
because guess what they are not mentioned as free in the rules it says pistons are free no mention of rings pins circlips being open .
So guess what by your own and daves and Gavs and Jasons interpretations You are not with in the rules
I find it obserd to be called a cheat when I have a std big end it's sad really.Stirrer yes that fair i love doing that.

[bucketracer]

I find it obserd to be called a cheat when I have a std big end it's sad really.Stirrer yes that fair i love doing that.

If you want to bait people, maybe you could start your own thread, and not hijack this one. The Team ESE thread is about show and tell and sharing what your doing, and open to all in the hope they will contributed in a positive way.

[Buckets4Me]

no the gearbox contain competion tranmission parts these are clearly defined as not legal

ye but I dont want to use the parts I want the compleat thing.
there for legal as are the parts inside the engine (but not the compleat engine)


or so say you


enough of the baiting now lets get back to work


now I have started you a thead. Can we keap the silly talk there please

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...s-for-husaberg

[wobbly]

Quote "so you mean to tell me I can't use an rs125 motor but I can use the parts within the motor
and i can use an rs gearbox but not the parts within ?"

NO dead right and dead wrong, in parts - read what I said about the KT100. You can use KT100 parts as much as you want, just not a KT100 motor.
So yes, you could use a RS125 crank, and rod etc, but NOT the whole motor, the rule states "Roadrace MOTORS" are not allowed - but NOT that the CRANK from a roadrace motor is illegal.

Same as I said about using a KT100 gearbox ( if it had one ) That would be illegal.
As a competition gearbox part,of any sort, is not allowed.So ANY RS125 gearbox part is illegal.

I dont give a fuck about being "lynched", all im doing is reading the rules as they are written, and having been thru many court cases over rule interpretation in karting, where the outcome could mean the driver gets a shot at F1 or not ( or so the fathers cheque book thinks) this argument is very amature.

Put simply again, an RS125 "MOTOR" is illegal, and ANY RS125 "TRANSMISSION PARTS " are illegal.
Thus the obvious logic is that using individual MOTOR parts from an RS125 are perfectly OK, but using a 2nd gear from a RS125 in say a MB100 if it fitted ,is out.

[husaberg]

If you want to bait people, maybe you could start your own thread, and not hijack this one. The Team ESE thread is about show and tell and sharing what your doing, and open to all in the hope they will contributed in a positive way.

Look my last reply to tz please .

Sorry for hijacking your thread TZ
But I love a good crap fight hows the engine work going have you considered a mvx250 carb 24mm flat slide I think 3 for $80
Also with you carbs I seem to remember something with disk valve engines needing different emulsion tubes in bells book like a 4 stroke just an idea but I don't think they are replaceable on Keihins are they.

Getting clarification on a rule is harder than you think.

Over the last few months I have written three times to MNZ regarding clarification of the 24mm carb rule without any outcome, or even an acknowledgement, and yes I did phone the office to check they had receved them.

At the last Mt Welly meeting JC talked with the Road Race Commisioner about clarification of the carb rule so lets hope something comes of that.

Debate arround the rules is contributing to the tread in a positive way.Debate is healthy.
I agree personal attacks are not.
Do i agree this has gone to far yes of couse it has.
But please read wobblys reply he's smarter than us both put together, and he's actually took the time to read what I posted rather than jumping to conclusions.
Yes I did respond when I was attacked in tandem by dave and Mike but simply because you can not have your cake and eat it to with regards to the rules.
The rules are the rules and I believeI was offering the interpation which is the obvious interperation if you read it properly.
I hate hipocracy displayed by dave and to a greater extent speedpro.This started because I was pointing out souces for better big ends and how to reference them.
Please read the origional post that started the scrap slowly with a open mind .