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[Buckets4Me]

And yes before anyone says I know meths is not a bucket legal fuel.

but are you using it for fuel ?
it's not even passing threw the engine
and when they take a sample it will not show up in the tank

so where is the problem ?

[husaberg]

but are you using it for fuel ?
it's not even passing threw the engine
and when they take a sample it will not show up in the tank

so where is the problem ?

nice one not the place for it me thinks

[husaberg]

Lol, if he weighs 85kg I'd be shocked. .

Is 85kg a runt? I am a fat bastard at 90kg small margin for error?

[koba]

I was thinking antilag (ala turbo rally car) but the pipe wouldn’t survive the bang I guess maybe a hot wire heater and or meths in the water injection for removing latent heat then going bang for reheat.I guess it ony needs to fire once or so to reheat the pipe?

Not that I'm a pyro or anything but I reckon a blast of meths powered heat in a hard wind blast (speed of bike) would do fuck all heating.

[husaberg]

Not that I'm a pyro or anything but I reckon a blast of meths powered heat in a hard wind blast (speed of bike) would do fuck all heating.

It’s meant happen inside the pipe. The idea was to use the heat removed from evaporating the mixture might first cool the pipe and then have it burn off to raise the pipe temp at higher revs.
I believe it might even auto ignite? Could happen? Maybe in the real world it may need some ignition source.It's just a theory I might try it on someones elses bike first in case it goes bang on me.

Maybe your onto something Koba without even realising it It could happen in a second skin outside the header with a presure release valve to flash off the steam

That would be a big bang engine.

[koba]

Its ment to be Inside the pipe.

Still, wouldn't it cool rather than heat? latent heat of evaporation and all that shit (please bear in mind I'm just back from being out on the razz with the lads at a fight night, brain may be a bit funny).

[husaberg]

Still, wouldn't it cool rather than heat? latent heat of evaporation and all that shit (please bear in mind I'm just back from being out on the razz with the lads at a fight night, brain may be a bit funny).

The origional idea was to use meths as it should burn off afterwards. Hopefully then restoring the heat in the pipe unlike water re Honda's ill fated NSR500 water injection which was taking to long to reheat for top end power.It's just an idea.The theory is like, 4 pages back
Cool pipe for mid range power
Hot pipe for top end.

[Moooools]

Lol, if he weighs 85kg I'd be shocked. He's a skinny runt. Not all bucket racers ate all the pies, some were too slow and missed out on them.
Then again, maybe he weighs more than it looks. But he ain't Buddha's size lol
Oh, just got told who'd post this, he'd be around your size.

I was meaning bike and rider weight combined would be the same... I don't tend to make presumptions about people's weights in my posts.

[Henk]

I would have thought meths would give more cooling that water since it evaporates so much faster, and it doesn't burn all that hot so maybe not much gain there.

[husaberg]

I would have thought meths would give more cooling that water since it evaporates so much faster, and it doesn't burn all that hot so maybe not much gain there.

I may be reading the table backwards but meths has half the latent heat requirements for evaporation as water does and burns far better than water but yes not that much heat.

[Gigglebutton]

but are you using it for fuel ?
it's not even passing threw the engine
and when they take a sample it will not show up in the tank

so where is the problem ?

Passing it through toast or cooking it up on a BBQ and you may end up like Amy Winehouse. Take it easy boys. Buckets are addictive enough as the are

[Moooools]

Passing it through toast or cooking it up on a BBQ and you may end up like Amy Winehouse. Take it easy boys. Buckets are addictive enough as the are

Actually all alcohols with an odd number of carbons will just kill you. methanol means one carbon so you will end more like those Russians on a ship who decided to celebrate a successful journey with the methanol they used for cleaning...

[bucketracer]

The origional idea was to use meths as it should burn off afterwards.

No one has mentioned where the oxygen to burn the meths is coming from.

But assuming enough oxygen can be introduced to support combustion of the evaporated meths and create some heat there would be an interesting over pressure situation in the expansion chamber.

[husaberg]

No one has mentioned where the oxygen to burn the meths is coming from.

But assuming enough oxygen can be introduced to support combustion of the evaporated meths and create some heat there would be an interesting over pressure situation in the expansion chamber.

You raise some valid points but as they don't suit my hypothesis, I will ignore them! Lol
I guess Walter Kaaden didn't have that kind of expansion in mind when he initially designed them.

Alcohol have there own oxgen but it will not burn without extra i think. I rememberYank tanks used to use smog pumps to add oxygen to clean up the emissions though or?

Well maybe to propel the meths oxygen oxygen under pressure in a soda stream bottle leading to a venturi kills two birds with one stone. Then no pump required.A industrial solenoid to control with a set up like NOS but yes the overpressure could well have
"interesting results" A real Big bang bucket engine.
Remember the antilag turbo set ups pop pop pop........BANG.They were under pressure in an unfriendly exhaust environment the turbo exhaust is much hotter and heavier walled manifold though.

That still leaves the double skinned header pipe with water introduced between the skins with water flashing to steam and released to atomosphere with a presure release valve.

[bucketracer]

Its a safe place, the world of good ideas as everything is possible with talk and nothing actually has to work.

Theory and endless talk jousting with others to prove who is smartest is great fun but probably belongs some where else, like the talk shit thread.

Mostly the people who post on the Team ESE thread talk about what they are doing, have done or are trying to do. The common thing is that they "Did" first, and then posted something about their ideas and the efforts they went to.