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[Buckets4Me]

[speedpro]

Speedpro...........

In the case of the intake stroke of an internal combustion engine.............the air is not "sucked through a hole"

....... It is "pushed".

(by the higher pressure air behind it)

A highschool science teacher will teach that.

Let's not get lost here!

So of course it is incorrect to say that for instance I sucked Coca Cola through the straw and drank it. You would have me say that atmospheric pressure acting on the surface of the Coca Cola in the glass "pushed" the Coca Cola up the straw into my mouth. The point is there was a pressure differential and the gas or fluid was free to move from the area of high pressure to the area of low pressure. When gas moves from an area of high(er) pressure to an area of low(er) pressure there is a law, Boyles Law I think, that covers what happens to the gas.

It is common english language usage to use the term "suck" when referring to causing a reduction of pressure at one point to cause a fluid to move.

Definition: Suction, the creation of a partial vacuum, or region of low pressure.

This is what happens when a 2-stroke piston rises and logically if we have suction then there must be sucking happening.

Some people just own up to being wrong but not others . . . they start being really really picky over things we all know anyway

[speedpro]

and a bit more on the matter of sucking. I have noted the point about sucking or pushing.

"Suction is the flow of a fluid into a partial vacuum, or region of low pressure. The pressure gradient between this region and the ambient pressure will propel matter toward the low pressure area. Suction is popularly thought of as an attractive effect, which is incorrect since vacuums do not innately attract matter. Dust being "sucked" into a vacuum cleaner is actually being pushed in by the higher pressure air on the outside of the cleaner.
The higher pressure of the surrounding fluid can push matter into a vacuum but a vacuum cannot attract matter."

[bucketracer]

Has any one else thought that SS90 is not what he says he is?

Granted He is well read, but so are we. SS90 has persisted in saying a lot without saying much. In his posts he is more like trying to string us along and his maturity and socialisation is well below what I would expect of someone entrusted with the gear to develop engines...... .....To informed to be a school boy, but not much more I expect.

A lot of quoting and referances and telling us how it should be and seems totaly unable to accept we might have a clue ourselves. I don't see any hands on personal experiance of the blood sweat and tears kind that goes with tuning shining through, do you?..

I think he is just blagging on and taking the piss. could be a around NZ somewhere having fun winding us up and sending us off on wild goose chasses.

[bucketracer]

and a bit more on the matter of sucking. I have noted the point about sucking or pushing.

"Suction is the flow of a fluid into a partial vacuum, or region of low pressure. The pressure gradient between this region and the ambient pressure will propel matter toward the low pressure area. Suction is popularly thought of as an attractive effect, which is incorrect since vacuums do not innately attract matter. Dust being "sucked" into a vacuum cleaner is actually being pushed in by the higher pressure air on the outside of the cleaner.
The higher pressure of the surrounding fluid can push matter into a vacuum but a vacuum cannot attract matter."

Sucked - Pushed it all depends on what initiated the change in state. In this case it was the engine and therefor its right to say "sucked the air in".

Another example of SS90 being unable to let someone else shine.

[gav]

So SS90, in your opinion, would TZ350 be far better off to avoid the restiction of the 24mm carb. He can simply do this by running a 100cc engine rather than a 125cc engine.

[Bren_chch]

So SS90, in your opinion, would TZ350 be far better off to avoid the restiction of the 24mm carb. He can simply do this by running a 100cc engine rather than a 125cc engine.

i think Gav, he should just give it to me and i'll ride it.

[SS90]

This is getting hilarious!

To some people (who are reading this thread from over here) It is starting to look like there are some Ego's getting bruised.

And some people really are looking silly......... It's a shame, as I have introduced people to people here to Kiwi hero's, like Kim Newcombe, and the B.S.L concept, and they thought that N.Z was full of free thinking individuals with a talent for two stroke tuning.

What has come up in this thread has made me have to explain

"THE TALL POPPY SYNDROME"

I surmise that there are efforts being made to fustrate me, in order to stop me posting here, so that a group of three or four can go back to continuing the ILLUSION of being "Clever bastards......."

It was just pointed out to me that, IF I do have a need to always be right, that need is only beaten by some peoples need to prove me wrong.

You win children........, go back to your gold coated cylinder heads..... .....
.........the rest of us will continue on with real development.

In this case, when you win, you lose.

I am a little ashamed of a few of you guys, and I have never met you.

I have met f5 dave once, showed him a clean pair of heels all weekend at a black meeting in Blenhiem about 5 years ago.

He was just as bitter then!

[bucketracer]

I surmise that there are efforts being made to fustrate me, in order to stop me posting here, so that a group of three or four can go back to continuing the ILLUSION of being "Clever bastards......."

You win children........, go back to your gold coated cylinder heads..... .....
.........the rest of us will continue on with real development.

In this case, when you win, you lose.

SS90 in 100's of words you've not said anything constructive yet.

PS In spite of basically hijacking TZ's thread and in your arrogance offering to take control of his engine development he has been very gracious yet you mock him. Sure, gold might be a bit over the top but he is thinking about it, doing it and genuine, you’re something else.

You do talk a lot and yet havent said anything of substance.......... I don't think were losing anything.

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[bucketracer]

What has come up in this thread has made me have to explain

"THE TALL POPPY SYNDROME"

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SS90 Don't flatter yourself. There are Tall Poppys and then there are Smothering Weeds.

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[quallman1234]

SS90 Don't flatter yourself. There are Tall Poppys and then there are Smothering Weeds.

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SS90 is offering, his opinion on things. What isn't necessarily right or wrong. Respect his opinion. He might actually have some very good information to share.

[bucketracer]

SS90 is offering, his opinion on things. What isn't necessarily right or wrong. Respect his opinion. He might actually have some very good information to share.

I dont think he wants to share, and he certainly hasn't respected anyone elses opinion. Take an interst and he wants to take controle. Smothering weed about covers it.

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[Sideways Sam]

Dudes, pull your freakin' heads in.

TZ350 builds a fast consistent engine and he's always developing it further, beats mine every time........ Best thing is, he's always there and his bike always goes, more than I can say for mine.

Anyways, when he learns how to go 'round corners he could be a threat to someone a lot faster than me.........

Bottom line is, he's there every meet (plus the odd out of town event) and his bikes run........... And they go better than mine........ Bastard!

No further comment necesary!!!!!!!!

[saxet]

I was looking at fairings and it's occurred to me that the front of the lower fairing on a sport bike seems to share similarities to the design of the shroud in the link to aero engine cooling. Is this coincedence or by design.

[F5 Dave]

So of course it is incorrect to say that for instance I sucked Coca Cola through the straw and drank it. You would have me say that atmospheric pressure acting on the surface of the Coca Cola in the glass "pushed" the Coca Cola up the straw into my mouth. . . .

That is how the CocaCola company would prefer it, you just being a unwilling (but paying) participant.