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[wobbly]

The det amp is very selective about displaying real deto signals.
You simply wind in the sensitivity such that the two greens are on and then the orange will tell you where you are getting close
to a knock.
Wind up the sensitivity again and the red will come on in the same spot as the orange did before.
Pull out a degree or two at that rpm and the red will go out - leaving the orange semi warning.
Keep doing this till the curve is optimised.
It works the other way as well, no orange and you can be sure you dont have enough advance at that point.
Then you can run the earth line back to the Ignitech with only one or two degrees of deto retard a a failsafe.
If you try to run say 3* of retard with the sensor output connected to the Ignitech, it works so fast the light never comes on, so you cant see whats happening.

Still sitting here worrying about the Superlight rule change - 3 weeks ago the confirmation was supposed to be published, no one is saying a thing.

[F5 Dave]

Thanks for the setup tips.

MNZ? Well they'll be more concerned with MX mini rules.

[Grumph]

Thanks for the setup tips.

MNZ? Well they'll be more concerned with MX mini rules.

Very true - but you've got to remember there are more angry parents of Mini MX riders than there are Superlite participants...
And the gentlemanly (cough) Superlite crowd are not likely to assault stewards.

Remember Wob...you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.....keep taking the meds.

[F5 Dave]

Exactly my line of reasoning.

[wobbly]

So then I dont understand even more - if there is one rule change creating problems for the Board then why not
issue the proposed non controversial changes with an approval,and state that the MX class will be dealt with in due course.
Just appearing to do nothing - in breach of the constitutional requirement of ratifying/publishing approved rule changes at the end of last month,would seem to be
causing more issues than it solves for anyone.

[husaberg]

Very true - but you've got to remember there are more angry parents of Mini MX riders than there are Superlite participants...
And the gentlemanly (cough) Superlite crowd are not likely to assault stewards.

Remember Wob...you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.....keep taking the meds.

Thanks for the setup tips.

MNZ? Well they'll be more concerned with MX mini rules.

As a mini dad that angers me and it's just a well you are not a MNZ official otherwise i would take that out on you

Sorry it's sad but true there is a small percentage of Mini mums and dads that think there is big sponsorship money and endorsements at stake. Normally unfortunately they take it out of there kids. But the non enforcement at times of the out of flag rules, i must admit, does at times frustrate me. But i bite my tongue and remember its all about fun. The biggest problem is the money some of these people spend to try and gain an advantage. Silly money....seriously.

Oh Wob the MNZ is a slow beast lethargic, with lots of agendas.But i guess you already knew that from the BSL500
I wish TZ would publish the first reply to Gav. then everyone could gain an an idea of MNZ's (Ramage's?) thinking and inability to give a coherent answer to what is a simple question.
It was super funny.

[Grumph]

As a mini dad that angers me and it's just a well you are not a MNZ official otherwise i would take that out on you

Sorry it's sad but true there is a small percentage of Mini mums and dads that think there is big sponsorship money and endorsements at stake. Normally unfortunately they take it out of there kids. But the non enforcement at times of the out of flag rules, i must admit, does at times frustrate me. But i bite my tongue and remember its all about fun. The biggest problem is the money some of these people spend to try and gain an advantage. Silly money....seriously.

Go through a stewards course and hear the war stories - and in one case, get shown the scars....the SI is a boy scout jamboree compared to the NI. Knives have been pulled.....

Oh Wob the MNZ is a slow beast lethargic, with lots of agendas.But i guess you already knew that from the BSL500
I wish TZ would publish the first reply to Gav. then everyone could gain an an idea of MNZ's (Ramage's?) thinking and inability to give a coherent answer to what is a simple question.
It was super funny.

Agree - it's set up to be slow deliberately so as not to obsolete something mid season - but of course that has happened....

[husaberg]

Agree - it's set up to be slow deliberately so as not to obsolete something mid season - but of course that has happened....

mmm... While Camels does alright racing against other Camels. Put one against a Racehorse's and all you will see is daylight.
(I guess overseas readers may not understand this analogy but i guess Greg will)
The guy credited with this phrase designed a few of the bits TZ has adapted to his bike as well.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee

[F5 Dave]

Well I have a nice chunk of spare ally where the reedblock used to be. This should be ok for the det sensor? I can just cut a 6mm hole out to 8mm & bolt her up nice.

Ok its not near the combustion chamber, but it is part of the barrel. Thoughts?

[wobbly]

The shock waves from deto will be transmitted right thru the cylinder and the case.
I have seen many times where for no apparent reason the head or barrel studs loosen off - not because they weren't torqued correctly, but due to the
gasket being crushed momentarily from deto.
Many cars have the det sensors on the side of the block,some with multiple sensors for cylinder pairs.
All that happens when the sensor is further away from the chamber is that the shock intensity is reduced, so the sensitivity of the amp must be wound up - not an issue.

[F5 Dave]

Sounds like a plan, at least until the WC head is done. Thanks. Now I just have to wait till the damn gauge turns up.

[Brian d marge]

The shock waves from deto will be transmitted right thru the cylinder and the case.
I have seen many times where for no apparent reason the head or barrel studs loosen off - not because they weren't torqued correctly, but due to the
gasket being crushed momentarily from deto.
Many cars have the det sensors on the side of the block,some with multiple sensors for cylinder pairs.
All that happens when the sensor is further away from the chamber is that the shock intensity is reduced, so the sensitivity of the amp must be wound up - not an issue.

Have seen that as well , deto , is interesting


Stephen

[TZ350]

Relocated the knock sensor. I found some steel head bolts and faced one off, then drilled and tapped it. And made a standoff that was carefully faced off as the knock sensor likes to be securely mounted on a very flat surface. The black goop (silicon glue) on the blue wire is there as a strain relief and hopefully it will stop the vibration breaking the wire where it is attached to the copper head fin.

[Buckets4Me]

http://www.nzsbk.com/2012/07/avalon-....html?spref=fb

[Drew]

I am sure that this has already been covered guys, but 210 pages of this is just too much to read through.

Is anyone running an o2 sensor on their two smoke?